| Which Male Politician should run for President? |
| John Kerry |
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16% |
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| John Edwards |
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0% |
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| John Mccain |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Howard Dean |
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8% |
[ 1 ] |
| Jeb Bush |
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16% |
[ 2 ] |
| Al Sharpton |
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8% |
[ 1 ] |
| Wesley Clark |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| All of them |
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8% |
[ 1 ] |
| None of them |
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41% |
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borgslayer
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 Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:51 pm Which Male Politician should run for President? |
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Vote on the list.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:15 pm |
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Good for you! Putting only two Republicans and five Democrats on that list! [/sarcasm] I say the best is Jeb Bush, but NONE of them would be my preference. I say Bill Frist or Newt Gingrich are good men to run.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:20 pm |
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Actually, scratch that. Pretend I voted for Howard Dean. I would like for this deranged lunatic to be nominated and run! That would be great!  I mean, he's already said that we're evil, stupid, liars, "haven't worked an honest living in [our] lives," and way more! I mean, come on! This guy's gotta run, and he's gotta be nominated!
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:21 pm |
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It will be Gingrich/Rice vs Edwards/Reid.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:23 pm |
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^I doubt that. I think it will truly be Hillary for the Dems.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:35 pm |
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Definetly no democrat no offense.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:40 pm |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Definetly no democrat no offense. |
Well, actually, you should want someone like Howard Dean to be nominated--think of all the votes we'd get!
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:41 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | ^I doubt that. I think it will truly be Hillary for the Dems. |
I don't even think Democrats are stuid enough to nominate her.  It would be total political suicide.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:41 pm |
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I would eat my cat before I voted for a republican. Or anyone on that list really, however if those are the choices, I say go kerry.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:45 pm |
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Kerry will loose again hopefully. All he done was lie and flip flop. now if a democrat ran for office that didn't lie, and flip flop , then yeah, but not likely.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:51 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | ^I doubt that. I think it will truly be Hillary for the Dems. |
I don't even think Democrats are stuid enough to nominate her. It would be total political suicide. |
Actually, it probably wouldn't. She really would, with her new makeover, have a solid chance, and at least 30-some percent of the country would definitely vote for her, according to a recently-released Gallup poll.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:55 pm |
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Yeah, but that poll was taken without any campaning, and still it's only 30%... If h=Hillary ran, the dirt would come out, and she wouldn't stand a chance. Her facade of moderacy is far too transparent, John Kerry (with his youth facade) was more beleivable.
If the Democrats want to win, they'll nominate Edwards, he's the best chance they have.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:59 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Yeah, but that poll was taken without any campaning, and still it's only 30%... If h=Hillary ran, the dirt would come out, and she wouldn't stand a chance. Her facade of moderacy is far too transparent, John Kerry (with his youth facade) was more beleivable.
If the Democrats want to win, they'll nominate Edwards, he's the best chance they have. |
Edwards!!! Hah! That which you are saying is SO GOSH DARN FUNNY! Gosh, the Liberal wouldn't do as well as you think! 
However Hillary truly is a force that you should not underestimate. She understands politics better than most, and may be successful in convincing the public that she's someone who she's not.
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Puck
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:42 pm |
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I am not looking foward to 2008. I am not really overly excited about any of the politicians that are currently being thought of as possible runners.
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webtaz99
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:01 pm |
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The Presidential election:
It's like the whole country is burning down and everyone is arguing over what color to paint ONE FIRETRUCK.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:11 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | Yeah, but that poll was taken without any campaning, and still it's only 30%... If h=Hillary ran, the dirt would come out, and she wouldn't stand a chance. Her facade of moderacy is far too transparent, John Kerry (with his youth facade) was more beleivable.
If the Democrats want to win, they'll nominate Edwards, he's the best chance they have. |
Edwards!!! Hah! That which you are saying is SO GOSH DARN FUNNY! Gosh, the Liberal wouldn't do as well as you think!
However Hillary truly is a force that you should not underestimate. She understands politics better than most, and may be successful in convincing the public that she's someone who she's not. |
 vs. 
Never underestimate charisma. Edwards is the last best chance at saving the left from falling into the depths of nothingness. He's got no skeletons in his closet, his approval ratings (in the last election) were sky high. Sadly, middle ground people like Edwards, a lot.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:14 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | vs.
Never underestimate charisma. Edwards is the last best chance at saving the left from falling into the depths of nothingness. He's got no skeletons in his closet, his approval ratings (in the last election) were sky high. Sadly, middle ground people like Edwards, a lot. |
And yet he's in the top 5 for the Senate's most Liberal members. Interesting...(And no, he's not  )
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:27 pm |
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Those lists are deceiving. It measures the voting percentage vs. the rest of your party over the cource of one year.
All that it tells us is that John Edwards voted with the majority of his fellow Democrats 75.3% of the time in 2003. When you look at it that way, then compare it to John Kerry's 96.9% he doesn't look bad. I don't like Edwards, but he's got charisma, he's got a clean moral record, he's young, and he's immensely popular.
I hope you're right, I hope Hitlery runs, because then we can look forward to at least 12 straight years with a Republican leader.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:14 pm |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Kerry will loose again hopefully. All he done was lie and flip flop. now if a democrat ran for office that didn't lie, and flip flop , then yeah, but not likely. |
So what exactly are you saying? He didn't flip flop. He had an opinion, and facts spilled in saying that it wasn't so, so he supported the correct side. Whats wrong about changing your opinion? You wanna talk about flip floping. Read George Bush's campaign speaches as governer and then his speaches as president now THATS flip floping. And from your post it sounds like you're implying that all democrats do is lie and flip flop.
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Republican_Man
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| Starbuck wrote: | | Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Kerry will loose again hopefully. All he done was lie and flip flop. now if a democrat ran for office that didn't lie, and flip flop , then yeah, but not likely. |
So what exactly are you saying? He didn't flip flop. He had an opinion, and facts spilled in saying that it wasn't so, so he supported the correct side. Whats wrong about changing your opinion? You wanna talk about flip floping. Read George Bush's campaign speaches as governer and then his speaches as president now THATS flip floping. And from your post it sounds like you're implying that all democrats do is lie and flip flop. |
Didn't flip-flop! Oh, do we have to go through this again? My gosh, I'll find EVERYTHING that you need to see his flip-flops. Didn't flip-flop. Funniest thing I've heard all day.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:37 pm |
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I find it difficult to decide on the flip floping issue. If someone gets more information to make a better informed decission then I think it's better than blindly following a certain belief for the sake of it. But I also disagree that you should change your beliefs to suit others. And depending what side of the argument you are on you view it differently. (General rule) Republican's view Bush as a strong leader and Kerry as a flip flopper. Democrats think Bush is following his believes and faith blindly and that Kerry makes sure his opinions are based on evidence. Both the same facts, but different opinions.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:38 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Didn't flip-flop! Oh, do we have to go through this again? My gosh, I'll find EVERYTHING that you need to see his flip-flops. Didn't flip-flop. Funniest thing I've heard all day. |
There's nothing funny about fact, my dear. And I have the actual video clips from Bush's speaches. They CLEARLY contradict one another.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:39 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | I find it difficult to decide on the flip floping issue. If someone gets more information to make a better informed decission then I think it's better than blindly following a certain belief for the sake of it. But I also disagree that you should change your beliefs to suit others. And depending what side of the argument you are on you view it differently. (General rule) Republican's view Bush as a strong leader and Kerry as a flip flopper. Democrats think Bush is following his believes and faith blindly and that Kerry makes sure his opinions are based on evidence. Both the same facts, but different opinions. |
No, no, no. Kerry truly flip-flopped. It was NOT a matter of changing an opinion based on facts--no, just what seemed politically convenient
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Puck
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:41 pm |
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I don't like any of the choices on either side. I want fresh choices instead of these same old people. If only I could find a popular democrat that was against abortion. *sighs*
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Jeremy
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| Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:45 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | I find it difficult to decide on the flip floping issue. If someone gets more information to make a better informed decission then I think it's better than blindly following a certain belief for the sake of it. But I also disagree that you should change your beliefs to suit others. And depending what side of the argument you are on you view it differently. (General rule) Republican's view Bush as a strong leader and Kerry as a flip flopper. Democrats think Bush is following his believes and faith blindly and that Kerry makes sure his opinions are based on evidence. Both the same facts, but different opinions. |
No, no, no. Kerry truly flip-flopped. It was NOT a matter of changing an opinion based on facts--no, just what seemed politically convenient |
Which explains why he lost,
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