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Republican_Man
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Puck
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Why don't we take a poll in these country's and see if the people being raped, and murdered, and tortured would appreciate intervention from outsiders?
It doesn't matter if people like America or not. Morals and principles should controll our decisions, not our popularity.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:07 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | Why don't we take a poll in these country's and see if the people being raped, and murdered, and tortured would appreciate intervention from outsiders?
It doesn't matter if people like America or not. Morals and principles should controll our decisions, not our popularity. |
EXACTLY. I don't get why we have to base our decisions on whether or not we are LIKED. No, no way. Doing that would make a HORRIBLE president.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:08 pm |
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I think the difference between the Iraq situation and the African situation is that we aren't talking about deposing any leaders. What should be done is to send peacekeeping forces in to stabilize the area--not occupy it, not change it, but just try and make peace. Perhaps that is an idealistic goal, but we've already tried doing nothing. . . .
Iraq was a dictatorship. Africa, while each country does have leaders, is more like a broiling semi-anarchy that needs to stabilize in order to get out of the developing world.
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Starbuck
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:12 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | Why don't we take a poll in these country's and see if the people being raped, and murdered, and tortured would appreciate intervention from outsiders?
It doesn't matter if people like America or not. Morals and principles should controll our decisions, not our popularity. |
EXACTLY. I don't get why we have to base our decisions on whether or not we are LIKED. No, no way. Doing that would make a HORRIBLE president. |
And what are you going to say when we're nuked off the face of the earth because we have enemies with nukes?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:16 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | Why don't we take a poll in these country's and see if the people being raped, and murdered, and tortured would appreciate intervention from outsiders?
It doesn't matter if people like America or not. Morals and principles should controll our decisions, not our popularity. |
EXACTLY. I don't get why we have to base our decisions on whether or not we are LIKED. No, no way. Doing that would make a HORRIBLE president. |
And what are you going to say when we're nuked off the face of the earth because we have enemies with nukes? |
We just continue the Bush Doctrine 
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zero
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:41 pm |
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This actually was the first thing that came out of my mouth when I heard we were invading Iraq. I thought to myself, What about those 2 million people in africa who were murdered in 12 months??
But, who was I kidding??? 
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zero
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| Wed May 11, 2005 5:44 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Starbuck wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | Why don't we take a poll in these country's and see if the people being raped, and murdered, and tortured would appreciate intervention from outsiders?
It doesn't matter if people like America or not. Morals and principles should controll our decisions, not our popularity. |
EXACTLY. I don't get why we have to base our decisions on whether or not we are LIKED. No, no way. Doing that would make a HORRIBLE president. |
And what are you going to say when we're nuked off the face of the earth because we have enemies with nukes? |
We just continue the Bush Doctrine |
^Oh we're sure to be blasted into oblivion!
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 11, 2005 6:48 pm |
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| zero wrote: | This actually was the first thing that came out of my mouth when I heard we were invading Iraq. I thought to myself, What about those 2 million people in africa who were murdered in 12 months??
But, who was I kidding??? |
And MORE than 2 million Iraqis killed BY THE GOVERNMENT, and even MORE tortured is not enough?
| zero wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | We just continue the Bush Doctrine |
^Oh we're sure to be blasted into oblivion! |
How so? Have we been "blasted to oblivion," hmmm? NO.
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lionhead
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Doesn't it seem a habit for peole too start killing eachother in places where there is enough room for 100X more people then there already are?
Its horrible whats happended there of course, but it has happened before and it will happen again. You can't stop it, you can't judge it and you sure a H*ll can not point too people about it... well, perhaps in some cases.
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Puck
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| Wed May 11, 2005 7:04 pm |
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We can judge it, and we sure as hell can stop it.
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Lord Borg
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Yeah, we can stop that
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lionhead
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How? Tell me that.
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Theresa
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| Wed May 11, 2005 7:10 pm |
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God forbid mankind strive to be better than they are now, eh?
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webtaz99
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In Iraq, Saddam ruled by fear, and the vast majority of his troops and governent folded when we went in. In the Sudan, these are militia backed by the government who (sadly) believe in what they are doing. They will fight to the death against any "peacekeepers" sent in. This would force the "peacekeepers" to slaughter the militia AND depose the government. Not very "peaceful", eh?
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Theresa
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Yes, but the word is so much prettier, no?
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Puck
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| Quote: | BBC NEWS
Killings put Darfur aid at risk
The World Food Programme has condemned the killing of two of its drivers taking aid to Sudan's Darfur region.
Such attacks make it difficult to deliver enough food to the area before the rainy season, said WFP Sudan head.
Across the border in Chad, the UN refugee agency has pulled out of five camps after its workers were targeted in violence which left three dead.
More than 2m people have fled their homes in Darfur - some to Chad - during two years of conflict and violence.
At least 180,000 people have already died from hunger and disease, in addition to those killed in the fighting between pro-government Arab militias and Darfur's rebel groups.
Selling aid
The WFP said its drivers were killed in separate incidents by "bandits" on the road between Ed-Daen and Nyala in south Darfur.
"Such attacks only make drivers extremely reluctant to transport food aid in Darfur and are making it very difficult to deliver enough food before the rains," said WFP's Sudan director, Ramiro Lopes da Silva.
In Chad, refugees have staged violent protests after the UNHCR tried to clamp down on them selling aid supplies in local markets and verify refugee numbers.
At least one policeman and two refugees were killed in the clashes, after aid workers were beaten with sticks and stones.
The UNHCR has now pulled out of four of the 12 camps it runs in eastern Chad, for the 200,000 people who have gone there from Darfur.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/4540783.stm
Published: 2005/05/12 13:02:28 GMT
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