Sen. Clinton pushes for voting holiday

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

Voting fraud is a big problem, and we need to put in place more safeguards against fraud in the voting and in the counting of votes. At the same time though, voter turnout is way too low. You can't have a true democracy if less than half of the nation votes. I think we need improvement in both areas.

Founder · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:05 pm**

Im for an extra Holidays.

Defiant · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:38 pm**

Its a good idea. Get the day off, less excuses to not vote! Very good!

Now you just need to adopt vote by mail in more states. Its so nice to not have to go to a polling booth.

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

I'm actually kind of with the conservatives on this one. If you're too lazy to even go to a polling place, perhaps it's better that you aren't represented. Then again, I support compulsory voting, so there's hypocracy for you.

Defiant · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:49 pm**

No matter who you are, uninformed, lazy, stupid, you have the right to vote. EVERYONE has the right to vote. There is no screening process for whos vote counts or not based on how closely you follow the news or what your IQ is. That point of view is BS.

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

Good to know you're so open to different perspectives. You're not so different from RM in your idealistic zealotism, you know.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Voting is not a right, it is an obligation that you have if you live in a democracy. If you don't vote, yet you are legally allowed to, then that is sad ,and you don't have the right to complain about anything because you didn't even care enought to vote. Sad that Iraqis will brave death to vote, but we Americans think we need a holiday so that it doesn't interfere with the rest of our lives.

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

I agree completely.

Defiant · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:14 pm**

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

I am. I don't have a problem with you or your opinion. In fact, in many ways I agree with you. Disagreements are cause for dialogue and debate, not resentment and contention. We all have different viewpoints. Attacking others doesn't help anything. I may speak rather frankly, but I try not to offend or put down.

Defiant · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:35 pm**

To me, your comment was you saying that I was just like RM because I had my own opinion.

Zeke Zabertini · Captain Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832

Not at all. Most everyone has an opinion. I was saying that you're like RM because of the absolutist moral nature of your arguments. That is, you defend them in terms of "right" or "wrong" more so than you do with logical facts. There's nothing really wrong with that, it's just a way of thinking.

Defiant · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:51 pm**

I argue what I believe, and thats that. Usually, when someones opinion is the exact oppositie, I argue why I believe myself right, and why I view them as wrong.

LightningBoy · **Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:57 pm**

Everyone has the RIGHT to vote. Everyone also has the RIGHT to NOT vote.

It's not a holiday. No way... If you can't do it on that day, you should vote absentee.

Founder · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:15 am**

Not everyone should vote. Because too many people are ignorant.

"I heard this Bush fella is bad from those Dem. I'll vote Kerry."

Those people don't deserve to vote. They don't even know what the hell they're talking about. A lot of people believe it is your right not to vote, which it is, but its f****d up if you don't vote when people would die or are dieing for the chance to vote.

Defiant · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:30 am**

YOU JUST CANT TAKE AWAY PEOPLES RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THEIR OPINIONS!!!

LightningBoy · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:33 am**

So, in other words, you don't think Founder should have the right to have that opinion?

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

^Umm, where did he say anything about Founder not having the right to an opinion?

And tough luck, there are stupid people, unfortunatly, in America, every citizen is guaranteed the right to vote, and you can't take the away. If you did, that wouldn't be America. So they are stupid, inform them.

Founder · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:59 am**

Inform them? Both sides tried enough of that. The elections were everywhere. People are stupid and refuse to bother to learn. Thats like saying, lets give kids college degrees even though they didn't take any of the classes. Thats not fair. The people who do follow it get screwed over and lose, because the other people listened to that guy(the Dem/Repub.).

Sadly you are right. Everyone is entitled to vote. We should ALL vote then. I mean geez we are taking this right for granted.

Defiant? I was making that point for both sides. My Ex. was from a Repub POV. But im sure the Dem. lost many votes because they "heard" that Kerry was not a good guy or whatnot.

Defiant · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:04 am**

It sounded more to me that people were voting for Kerry because they were ignorant. Like you say that people are ignorant, then show an example of someone voting for kerry, you can see why I thought such a thing.

Besides, youre still wrong. Everyone should be allowed to vote, its not a pick and choose system. And no matter what, every single person in the USA sees some form of media, newspaper, tv, campaign signs, of what the candidates are doing and saying. Its impossible not to. So people are informed, just to varying degrees.

Founder · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:09 am**

Defiant · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:14 am**

There, happiness abounds.

And I can understand why you would want certain people to not vote. There was a girl at my work who voted for Bush because he was "cute." That sucks. But, its her right, so I accept it.

But you can bet I argued with her to the point where she almost cried. I wasnt mean or anything, but yeah.

LightningBoy · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:27 am**

People should need to understand what they are voting for before they form an opinion on it. If they don't, their opinion does not truly reflect their personal viewpoint.

I don't like the idea of limiting elections in any way, but the school systems need a huge booster shot in the way of Civics, History, and Social Studies. I don't know why they feel so much need for pointless math, when things in the REAL WORLD are negated.

Republican_Man · **Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:38 am**

Another holiday, for elections? No way.