| Do you like the STV Congress idea? |
| Yes, it's a great idea! |
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51% |
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| It's interesting. Yeah. |
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| Yes |
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| Meh, kind-of. |
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| No. |
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| No way! It's stupid, really. |
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
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| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Actually, he doesn't. The 1.5 vote will never be used. You need a 2/3 majority to pass anything anyway. So it's irrelevant. |
Why have it? |
Just in case. I doubt it will ever be used, but it's an emergency precaution. But Kyre, since you're questioning things, could you give me/us some suggestions that could help make you want to join, as long as they don't pertain to the Speaker? 
Do not talk about elections yet. That will happen later. |
I'm sorry, but the only emergencies I see it being used for are situations where your stance is in danger of losing out...however rare a situation that may be.
And no, I cannot provide any suggestions, unfortunately; this setup does not interest me enough. I am only posting here because if it is going to go ahead, I want it to be done right/fair. You still shouldn't be attached to a specific party, what with your power to choose a topic regardless of the opinions of anyone else.
You should step down and let someone neutral take the reins. My opinion, anyway. |
Valid opinions, valid opinions. However, as the starter and "mod-like" person of this, I have to stay Speaker.
But I accept your valid points, and therefore I cannot go over the heads of the Committee. ALL legislation must go through the Committee.
Truly, I have no more power than any other person, pretty much. I can choose who speaks (although it is organized as to proponent, opponenet, then proponent, etc, and turns WILL be taken, and it will be in an order. No one may speak a second time until all those on their side have said their piece), I can break the almost non-existent tie, if need be, and I can keep order and organize things. I have no real major power.
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Puck
The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
Posts: 5596
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First off, no one is neutral, everyone has their own opinions, and that really can't be changed. However, I think this is setup just fine. Sure RM has the most powerful title in the Congress, however, everyone has a great deal of power individual. RM will in fact run this fairly, and do the best he can, which I am sure will be good. You know how I can say this, his power does him no good whatsoever if he abuses it, because then everyone will leave. Not much point then for him to be the person who has nothing to run. That is why I am not concerned at the moment, because if he wants to get this off the ground, he has no choice but to be fair. Of course no one has to join, however, he started it, so I think it is only fair that he runs it.
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WeAz
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Joined: 03 Apr 2004
Posts: 1519
Location: Where you aren't
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:17 pm |
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sounds complicated but a great idea
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:25 pm |
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| Janeway_74656 wrote: | | sounds complicated but a great idea |
Interested in joining? Post an application!
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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Location: Classified
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:35 pm |
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Alright, well, I've started the official thread, but don't post. However, I will be starting off with 2 legislations that will NOT go through committee. The rest will be after a committee hearing, after this one is locked. Once this one is locked, a new thread will be created for the Legislation Committee, and you will PM me your application for Congressman.
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Captain Leah Manzer
Vice Admiral
Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 5221
Location: State of Insanity
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:43 pm |
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1. Captain Leah Manzer; Lianne Manzer
2. Liberal
3. I should join because I have strong political beliefs in the Liberal system, and i think I will be an asset to my party as well at the debate
4. Canada; Ontario
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:44 pm |
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| Captain Leah Manzer wrote: | 1. Captain Leah Manzer; Lianne Manzer
2. Liberal
3. I should join because I have strong political beliefs in the Liberal system, and i think I will be an asset to my party as well at the debate
4. Canada; Ontario |
Welcome!
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LightningBoy
Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 1446
Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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| Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:58 pm |
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The Seal of The Libertarian Party:
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lionhead
Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 4020
Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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I want too join!:
1. Lionhead, Joey ebbeling
2. Social workers party
3. Very harsh debater, not easy too pursuade.
4. Netherlands, The
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Scapegoat Bob
Commodore
Joined: 02 Sep 2001
Posts: 1198
Location: The Barn
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:03 pm |
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1. Scapegoat Bob, yup
2. Independent
3. We know a lot
4. The Barn
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:05 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | The Seal of The Libertarian Party:
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Perfect, thanks.
| lionhead wrote: | I want too join!:
1. Lionhead, Joey ebbeling
2. Social workers party
3. Very harsh debater, not easy too pursuade.
4. Netherlands, The |
Great! Too bad, it's balanced now 
| Scapegoat Bob wrote: | 1. Scapegoat Bob, yup
2. Independent
3. We know a lot
4. The Barn |
Welcome!
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:08 pm |
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Congress Members:
Republican Party:
Leader/Speaker of the Congress: Republican_Man; James O'Reilly; Colorado, USA
Second Leader: Exalya; Sydney Cooper; California, USA
Rbgirl; Debra Whitsel; Georgia
Founder; Andrew Casco; Louisiana, USA
Democratic Party:
Leader: Link, The Hero of Time; Franco Zani; New York, USA
Second Leader: Charmed88; Thomas Clinton; Vermont
Libertarian Party:
Leader: LightningBoy; Dan Moritz; Minnesota, United States
Second Leader:
Liberal Party:
Leader: Valathous; Dan Vigneault; Qu�bec, Canada.
Second Leader: Captain Leah Manzer; Lianne Manzer; Ontario; Canada
Independents:
JanewayIsHott; Kevin Hooker; Texas, USA
Jeremy; Jeremy Watt; Wales
Scapegoat Bob; Scapegoat Bob; "The Barn"
Socialist Workers Party
Leader: Seven of Nine; Danni Matzk; England
Second Leader: Lionhead; Joey Ebbeling; The Netherlands
Islamic Values Democratic Party
Leader: Pah-Wraith; Yahya Ibn al-Filibini Seymour; Philippines and the Southern Islamic Independant Governing State of Mindanao.
STV Congress Staff:
Hitchhiker; Hitchhiker; Congress Artist
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lionhead
Rear Admiral
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:29 pm |
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Cna someone explain as simple as possible how we do this congress? Becuase i've read the first post but when i got too the end i forgot half of it   
what is this all about?
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:49 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | Cna someone explain as simple as possible how we do this congress? Becuase i've read the first post but when i got too the end i forgot half of it
what is this all about? |
You joined and you don't know what it's about, or what to do! How-- j/k
Alright, it works in an exchange of speeches. You'll propose legislation in a forum called the "Legislation Committee." Willing committee members vote on what legislation to put into actual vote, and then that gets put to the main congress.
We debate in an organized fashion to pass the legislation. That's that in a nutshell.
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lionhead
Rear Admiral
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| Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:55 pm |
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Ah, and what is a Legislation? (sorry, i'm not english)
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| The First Post wrote: | Legislation:
All about Legislation.
The point of this Congress is to debate legislation pertaining to individual countries or the world, depending on the majority country (i.e. a majority of the country-specific legislation would be based on the US, or it could involve the entire world.)
The Legislations can pertain to taxes, war, heathcare, etc. that would be possible RIGHT NOW. Not some science-fiction legislation.
The debating will be more like that of the US Senate/House combined with the amusing harshness of the British House of Commons , while being different from regular WN debate. (Watch debates of the US Senate and House and British House of Commons to see how it works.)
Remember, this is legislation, whether it be Bills or Resolutions. It does NOT pertain to issues of common debate, although you may use actual legislation by a true government body.
We will also have something called a Proposition.
Each legislation will be read aloud by the Speaker of the Congress, and given a code, ie Resolution 1A, Proposition 1A, Bill 1A, as well as its name.
A bill makes the terms of the legislation mandatory.
A resolution is more of a guiding principal and establishes a strong foundation for future legislation and bills.
A proposition is a statement proposing a policy, ie forcing Kofi Annan to resign from Secretary General of the UN, with giving a few points.
The format for a Resolution and Bill are, at least for now, the same.
RESOLUTION/BILL NAME HERE
Whereas, fact/point. ("Evidence," using specific examples, is not required here, just basic facts.)
Whereas, fact/point. (List as many as you wish/deem necessary.)
And, whereas, final fact/point.
Be it resolved by this STV Congress assembled that _______.
(The _______ can include either: "the (Act or Operation) should be enacted by the _____ government, (etc)." or "the ___ government, (etc) should (do whatever the resolution is about)
If you are resolving to carry out an act/operation, add Contentions. These talk about what the act/operation would do.
Contention A:
Contention B:
Resolve again, adding a "Therefore" before the resolution
Therefore, be it resolved by this STV Congress assembled that _______.
If you feel that it is NECESSARY to add evidence, add it in the following format:
This Congress, now assembled, offers forth the following evidence:
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The format for a Proposition is the following:
(This will be when you only have to make a statement and give a few points.)
PROPOSITION NAME HERE
Be it resolved that (insert Proposition here)
Contention A:
Contention B: (etc)
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Micteth-Son of Udas
Klingon Warrior
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Posts: 3202
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1. Micteth-Son Of Udas, Mike Canary
2. Independent
3. Iam a person with many diffrent veiws on todays world and would like them voiced
4. USA New York
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:17 pm |
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Welcome Congressman Canary. Please, vote on the logo.
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Elladan
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 300
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| Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:23 pm |
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1. Elladan, Elladan
2. Republican
3. I posted on accident in the running thread... 
No seriously I wish to expand both my and your knowledge of political affairs and businesses.
4. Imladris
With the greatest respect,
Elladan
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:24 pm |
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Welcome! You may now vote!
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:46 pm |
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I should have the Icon for the democrats up by sometime this weelend with any luck and if I happen to keep enough of my sanity.
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Zeke Zabertini
Captain
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Always willing to dip my feet in and try the water.
1. Zeke Zabertini, Ezekiel Edwardo Zabertini
2. Party Internationale
3. In order to represent my viewpoints and provide input before the honorable congress.
4. Though I do not "represent" a particular region so much as I do the ideals my party represents applied as far as practical, I hail from the United States of America, Minnesota, Rochester.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:30 am |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | Always willing to dip my feet in and try the water.
1. Zeke Zabertini, Ezekiel Edwardo Zabertini
2. Party Internationale
3. In order to represent my viewpoints and provide input before the honorable congress.
4. Though I do not "represent" a particular region so much as I do the ideals my party represents applied as far as practical, I hail from the United States of America, Minnesota, Rochester. |
Welcome! And great party idea! It's not a real party, though, just one for this Congress, right?
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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| Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:38 am |
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If you clicked his website, you would see it is a serious attempt at creation of a political party.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:41 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | | If you clicked his website, you would see it is a serious attempt at creation of a political party. |
I have checked out the website, Defiant. It's got the home, issues, and members pages. And it's great--but I've attempted to create mock sites before, so I'm wondering if he's real about it (as in a real party) or just using it for this, based on what HE says.
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