Catholic Archbishop Abducted in Iraq

Defiant · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:11 pm**

I know too many people who do.

And yes, it stems from the 1500s, and the creating of Lutheranism. Martin Luther was a badass.

Founder · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:13 pm**

Well thats their faith and belief. You can disagree but should accept it.

Defiant · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:26 pm**

You know, theyre the same faith. Only difference, Lutheranism doesnt prioritize access to heaven based on your job in life. Catholicism will allow for monks and priests to go ahead of others. Silliness IMO.

Anyways, theres also the sexual abuse thing. You knew I just had to throw it out there. And I know, its silly. Dont even bother yelling at me for it. Just had to mention.

Founder · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:29 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:29 pm**

Well, I agree that the church has no right to say who you should or shouldn't vote for, or try to directly influence your vote. There's a seperation of church and state.

However, if you are a practicing Catholic, and follow Catholic law, you'd have no already that you shouldn't vote Democratic/for Kerry. That's just common sense. Should Catholics be offended because the church thinks they're stupid (as they've had to tell them not to vote for Kerry)?

Who knows.

Defiant · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:30 pm**

Again, so not about the election in any way. That was just one example.

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:33 pm**

Well, I simply responded to your example.

I agree either way, the Catholic Church is pretty funny institution anyway you look at it. Don't kill, but lets murder a few thousand muslims... Free will, but hey you're going to jail for saying the earch is round... Pretty interesting.

Founder · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:37 pm**

Ya'll are right. *Turns to RM* They got us man. They exposed our hidden evils we did centuries ago. So obviously we're still evil to this day. Whites brutalized blacks in the past. So obviously they can't rectify their mistakes. Whites are evil too. I can't understand why I don't convert.

Defiant · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:38 pm**

Again, your sarcasm is most unappreciated.

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:41 pm**

Well, of course people still aren't like that, sheesh,

And I'm pretty sure they were already exposed,

But yeah, I go to a Catholic school, all that wonderful stuff. It's not as if I blame people for those things.

Founder · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:53 pm**

My "scarcasm" is not to spam. Im trying to prove a point. What IntrepidIsMe said is about Catholiscm of the past. BTW tons of Catholics died by Muslims too. Its not like they were the only ones to die. Catholiscm has done many bad things. They ignored the Holocaust. They didn't mind the slavery in the US. The institution in the past was TERRIBLE but its different now. Besides the instituion is a figurehead. It does not represent the faith.

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:58 pm**

Silly me thought the church/pope was the faith (part of it, at least),

Yes, there was a war between Muslims and Catholics, however, the Muslims weren't against the Catholics in particular. Not to mention, they gave you the choice to convert to Hindu, pay a tax, or die; whereas the Catholics simply killed them.

As I said, nobody is blaming people today for what happend in the past. Or at least I'm not, just pointing it out.

Founder · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:07 pm**

He is part of the heirarchy of Catholiscm. We don't worship the Pope, despite popular belief. What? No. Catholics most certainly gave them the option to convert. Muslicm made peopel convert to Hinduism? I find that hard to believe. You would they would force them into Islam...

Oh I see you and Defiant are pointing out the bad sides of my Religion with no good sides. Got'cha.

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:12 pm**

Of course you people don't worship the pope, but he is part of the faith. Yes, Islam is what I meant,

Hindu/Islam, they're close (here comes Sean). Anyway, we learned all of it last year in Global Studies (that whole convert/tax/die thing).

Yes, the bad parts are more interesting,

Republican_Man · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:21 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:14 pm**

Okay okay. Anyway, they were much nicer than the Catholics, that was my main point,

Founder · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:18 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:20 pm**

No, my origional point was that the catholic church went in with intent to kill a particular group of people. However, the Muslims didn't, and gave people a choice either way. Sounds nicer to me, was simply pointing it out.

Founder · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:22 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:24 pm**

Yeah, the muslims invaded in general, and that land inculded Jerusalem. Then the church launched an attack against, which lead to 13 crusades (I think that's the number), none of which were succesful (in the end).

Founder · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:27 pm**

Defiant · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:31 pm**

Oh boy, I had a test in history class today, where I was supposed to tell all the *beep* things about catholics. It was awesome. I aced it of course. Thanks Andy and Aaron!

Founder · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:33 pm**

The "*Beep*" things? Care to explain what you meant?

Defiant · **Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:39 pm**

Shi-tty would be the word. But it wasnt anything bad, I was thanking you for giving me stuff to write on my test. It was happiness.