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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:10 am World Government |
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What does everyone think of the idea of a World Government???
I think it would RULE. But there isnt a way in hell it could ever happen.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:42 am |
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How would it work?
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:51 am |
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The basic idea, is that all nation states give up their sovreignity to a world power. One world government controls the affairs of every state, and then presidents and prime ministers become representitives in the world government system. Sort of like the UN.
Problem is, each country would have to give up sovreignity, and listen to someone else. No one is entirely willing to do that. And also, this world government would have to have an army to enforce its decisions. Otherwise, people wouldnt care. The UN only relies on the donations of men from countries...
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Hitchhiker Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 3514 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:23 am |
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I like the idea of a world government, however I don't think that any country is ready for it. Especially with the turmoil of the Middle East and Asia right now, but indeed you'd be hard-pressed to find the people of a nation, or its leaders, want to give up their carefully hoarded power.
I think we're increasingly headed to a world government-like setting because the concept of small nations is starting to get silly (at least from my viewpoint). Nations are just these lines on a map, a bunch of people in the same location who, because they call themselves a 'nation', can distance themselves economically and politically from the people next door.
However, a world government might be difficult for us to fathom at this point: we're used to having governments that are closer to us. The instigators of a pan-democracy would need to ensure that the people feel as if the government is still very close to them and that it is ready to meet their needs, when they need it.
Perhaps the first step would to have a world government that oversees international affairs, but allow nations to continue managing their domestic affairs. I have no clue if this would work, however.
We'll need to build in steps, and have lots of patience if we ever want a world government. Keep in mind that the Trek world government was formed because the governments of today were all destroyed or badly hurt by World War III, so after the Vulcans came around, whatever people were left decided to form one government to deal with all those aliens out there.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:36 am |
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I agree with up abouve while it has positive effects, no one is ready for it, there is to many differances that need to be taken care of first
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:47 am |
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I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan would be willing to do a world government, considering theyve given up their sovreignity now anyways.
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:09 am |
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I think a World government now would start a Civil war everywhere on the globe... Like a CWW (civil world war).
Its the currency that keeps us from having 1 single government. It wouldn't work.
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Five - seveN Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 3567 Location: Shadow Moon
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:22 pm |
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It would be the very besterest of besterests, but it wouldn't work. See other people's posts for elaboration on 'why'.
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Arellia The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 4425 Location: Dallas, TX
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:35 pm |
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One World Order, end times...heh. Going to be heck when it happens, but if I didn't know that already, I might agree if and when the world was ready. Which it isn't, and won't be... ::shrugs::
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Jeremy J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 Posts: 7823 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:21 pm |
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I'm with Exalya on this.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:54 pm |
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Everyone would indeed still conflict, disagree, threaten, etc. A world government simply isnt possible at this time. But I have hope for the future.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:30 pm |
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Defiant wrote: | I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan would be willing to do a world government, considering theyve given up their sovreignity now anyways. |
That's not true, and you know it.
Either way, a one world government, although it would be cool, would be HORRIBLE. I would not support it.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:10 pm |
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It would be good, but simply not possible.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:24 pm |
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No it wouldn't. It would fail miserably and has way too many problems with it.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:26 pm |
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I couldnt agree more. But it would be very cool if it could happen, someday.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:29 pm |
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I don't understand how though. Who would be its leader? Would it be a council of World Leaders/Representatives? One man/woman elected every few years?
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:31 pm |
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That was my intention with posting this topic. To discuss possibilities.
I think a ruling body would be best, but someone would have to be elected. Maybe an electoral college system, throught the world. With countries voting in precincts. That would be crazy.
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Founder Dominion Leader
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:32 pm |
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What happens to the countries that DONT join? Or is that hypothetcal and every single nation has joined it?
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:34 pm |
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There are many problems. But it wouldnt be a world government, without the entire world. If other people disbanded from it, it would be them versus the world in a war or something. I imagine the US would go invade them or something.
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:50 pm |
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Defiant wrote: | I couldnt agree more. But it would be very cool if it could happen, someday. |
yeah, it would be cool. Very easy too.
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1/1 Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 3311 Location: La La Land
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:00 pm |
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Quote: | all nation states give up their sovreignity to a world power |
Is that like giving up the Queen. I don't think theres any way I'd do that.
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Kyre Commodore
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Posts: 1263
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:11 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | Defiant wrote: | I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan would be willing to do a world government, considering theyve given up their sovreignity now anyways. |
That's not true, and you know it.
Either way, a one world government, although it would be cool, would be HORRIBLE. I would not support it. |
Why not?
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:47 pm |
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1/1 wrote: | Quote: | all nation states give up their sovreignity to a world power |
Is that like giving up the Queen. I don't think theres any way I'd do that. |
i would give up my queen and new King in an instant. Only bad things can come from a Royal family once they have lost all power and purpose and in Holland they have certainly shown they have lost all power and purpose.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:01 pm |
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Kyre wrote: | Republican_Man wrote: | Defiant wrote: | I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan would be willing to do a world government, considering theyve given up their sovreignity now anyways. |
That's not true, and you know it.
Either way, a one world government, although it would be cool, would be HORRIBLE. I would not support it. |
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I don't want us to have to give up our sovereignty, pay high taxes, and bow to the will of countries like France.
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Kyre Commodore
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Posts: 1263
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:54 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | Kyre wrote: | Republican_Man wrote: | Defiant wrote: | I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan would be willing to do a world government, considering theyve given up their sovreignity now anyways. |
That's not true, and you know it.
Either way, a one world government, although it would be cool, would be HORRIBLE. I would not support it. |
Why not? |
I don't want us to have to give up our sovereignty, pay high taxes, and bow to the will of countries like France. |
In other words, you want to keep the right to invade other countries, even when others object? Is that what you mean?
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