What does Christmas mean today? Is it too commercial?

Leo Wyatt · **Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:43 pm**

I see your point.

lionhead · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:25 am**

superwoman · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:52 am**

^AaaaaAaaa *mocking sound*
But how can you be sure that it's a lie?

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:31 am**

Lionhead prove Jesus is a lie. Ok, lets not even go there it will just stirr up an argument. lol

superwoman · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:22 pm**

^AaaaaAaaa *mocking sound*
You can't be totally sure that it's not a lie either

Sam Kenobi · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:23 pm**

aye, but tis my faith that keeps my head above the water.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:29 pm**

Don't misunderstand what I am gonna say and don't think it is forceful cause It is not. In my view, I know in my heart that Jesus is real cause he is real. He is in my heart. That is all the evidence I need. You all can believe what you want cause that's the beauity of humanity, you are free.

lionhead · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:58 pm**

lionhead · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:00 pm**

Pah-Wraith · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:18 pm**

Other than the fact that Jesus was a Hebrew and a practicing Jewish Preacher, we have no Historic Proof of Anything about him..... but that's where the Key Word- FAITH comes in.

Sam Kenobi · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:41 pm**

well, lionhead seems to be a see it and believe it kind of kid. but know what? I can't see the wind. But I know it exists because I can feel it and I can see the effects of it. That's how I'd describe my faith.

lionhead · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:54 pm**

Knowing the wind excist is a Matter of Feeling, not seeing.

Sam Kenobi · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:24 pm**

that's exactly what I was saying. I'm comparing the wind to God. To see the wind is the epitomy of faith

superwoman · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:27 pm**

Ah yes... You can feel the wind and you can see how it's effecting stuff... like... how your hair moves... or the leaves in the tree... but you can't see or feel god.

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:38 pm**

Well, I have no problem saying Jesus existed. Who knows? I just down believe he was divine.

Scientific intsruments can measure the wind, and explain it. But not the idea of a "god." Not that that's the reason I don't believe. Just a factoid, which I'm sure everyone knew already.

Republican_Man · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:44 pm**

But again, you should NOT celebrate it if you don't even aknowledge Jesus. That's just not right. That's the point of Christmas.

Ziona · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:45 pm**

Christmas has definately become too commercial. I even admit to that... I spent too much on people this year.

Republican_Man · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:47 pm**

Arellia · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:48 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:51 pm**

Arellia · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:55 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:57 pm**

Mhmmm,

But still, that isn't what x-mas is about! It's about the birth, not the gifts. If we're on that track, we should celebrate stables and barn animals everywhere!

What kind of traditions do you mean, exactly?

Arellia · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:02 pm**

The Santa thing, mainly, bothers me. The Christmas tree bothers me, too, even though it's kind of fun, I must admit. And the absence of the religious celebration in most places, even in families that might believe in God.

And I know it's not about the gifts. In my church, gifts to others are a part of our lives. We give out free food and carwashes to random people, using our own money to do so. A lot of people ask why. It's because it's kind to others, and it is Christian to aid people. A common mantra is, "We're showing God's freely-given love in a tangible way."

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:04 pm**

Oh, I see. I agree that Santa is kinda silly, seeing as that kind of detracts from the whole "point" of x-mas (in your opinion, that is). I never believed in Santa, as he apparently had the same handwriting as my mother.

Tsk, I think everyone gives gifts, you don't have to be Christian. I always give money away to people who ask for it, give birthday presents, things like that. Comes with the territory of beign human, I suppose.