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Jeremy
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He didn't (the class teacher who was teaching about it). The principal teacher didn't want him mentioning God to the class, and so he was the one that didn't want God mentioned.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:15 pm |
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Oh, I understand now. Thanks Hitchiker. 
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Jeremy
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:20 pm |
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Just a question, did you people who didn't understand it actaully read it? I think it helps,
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Angeldust
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:21 pm |
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Bite me, Jeremy. I got the basic gist. 
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:31 pm |
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That's bull. I'm against saying the pledge of allegience in schools because of, among other things, the reference to God, and I still say it's bull. As long as the guy wasn't preaching to his students, not letting him give out documents that make reference to God is idiotic.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:42 pm |
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I believe in the seperation of church and state, but I think the pledge and the constitution were just written in the wording of the time, and God was a big thing back then, and if you are too naive understand that, well then, good luck, you're going to need it.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:46 pm |
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Yes.^ Precisely.
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WeAz
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:40 pm |
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a lot of old documents refer to god. back then almost everyone was devout. i really dont think it makes a difference
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:09 pm |
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You know Jeremy people are not perfect, yes I did read. I know I did. So what if I had a little trouble understanding sorry thats why I ask and learn. sorry.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:10 pm |
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Don't mind Jeremy. He's a punk. And he was joking. I think...
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:12 pm |
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I know now since I went back and read lol
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TrekkieMage
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| Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:56 pm |
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | I believe in the seperation of church and state, but I think the pledge and the constitution were just written in the wording of the time, and God was a big thing back then, and if you are too naive understand that, well then, good luck, you're going to need it. |
Personally, I understand the use of God in the Constitution and Decleration of Independance. I understand that compleatly, and accept it. I don't want them to be re-written.
The pledge is a different story. The "Under God" bit was added in the 50's. It has not always been there, and I think it should be removed. People will adapt to it not being there. It doesn't degrade the meaning or anything. I just don't want to hear those words every morning.
I also don't get the idea of them forcing us to put the words "Under God" in our schools...But that's something different.
Back on topic.
I think that the Decleration and the Constitution are very vital parts of our country. They should not be exemt from our cirriculum. God was a part of the era, as people have said, it should stay in the documents. The idea should not be preached, but it should not be removed.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:17 pm |
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But then by that logic TM, since god was a big part of the era back in the 50's (main reason why "Under god" was added), Shouldn't we then leave the Pledge alone as well?
What I dont understand is why this is such a big problem for people. Most schools no longer make you say the pledge, you just stand while it's read.
I mean are people going to try and outlaw Christmas songs next because many have to do with Jesus Christ?
"Seperation of Church and State" only goes so far.
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Republican_Man2
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| memyselfandI wrote: | | This is totally outrageous. This is the constitution for crying out loud!!! If you don't belive it was created "under God" don't believe it! There too much other stuff in the constitution for someone to make a big deal about that. They may claim "free speech" but the same can be said for those of us Christians too, so really, it's a lose-lose situation, and pointless. |
EXACTLY. This is OUTRAGEOUS and HORRIBLE. It MUST be taught--it's our HISTORY. And if these Liberals can't take the fact that our country was founded on religious principals, like Thanksgiving is rooted in and God is not even SPOKEN about in many schools, that's just wrong.
I wish I could have responded to this sooner. There is NO justification for this.
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memyselfandI
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| Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:20 pm |
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You can't say it's all liberals though. I'm a Democrat, I just think this whole Fiasco is retarded.
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Republican_Man2
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| Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:39 pm |
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| memyselfandI wrote: | | You can't say it's all liberals though. I'm a Democrat, I just think this whole Fiasco is retarded. |
I didn't mean ALL Liberals, sorry. But the fact is that it is LIBERALS that are doing this.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:35 am |
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It's just stupid to censor historical documents. I mean, why bother teaching history at all? How sad.
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Jeremy
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| Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:58 am |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | But then by that logic TM, since god was a big part of the era back in the 50's (main reason why "Under god" was added), Shouldn't we then leave the Pledge alone as well?
What I dont understand is why this is such a big problem for people. Most schools no longer make you say the pledge, you just stand while it's read.
I mean are people going to try and outlaw Christmas songs next because many have to do with Jesus Christ?
"Seperation of Church and State" only goes so far. |
About the christmas songs, in a few places that has happened here, and it's totally stupid.
((Kmma, I was joking, sorry if you misunderstood it))
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:21 pm |
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I know you was joking thats why I said in post that i wrote i went back and read. I should have worded it differently I apologize.
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