Right-wing moralists launch censor war

[Republican_Man]

Oh, and while we're getting rid of morals, why don't we just do what Planned Parenthood did, and teach a bunch of Girl Scouts how to *beep*...And teach students all about condomns. And promote teenage abortions without parental permission (unless, of course, their is proof that the parent(s) will beat them). And let's just be the ACLU and COMPLETLEY secularize the country and get rid of religion in all forms. Let's go teach out 5 year olds about sex and rape 'em. Let's do it!
There was sarcasm completely there, but that would be a de-moralized society, and those are instances that have happened or would happen, as disgusting as they may be. This isn't just a debate about censoring inapporpriate content--it's about morals.

[Arellia]

[Hitchhiker]

Hmm . . . it's interesting how this topic has gone off on a rather . . . heated tangent.

Since we're on the subject of sexual education . . .

. . . we need more of it.

I know I'm going to bludgeon myself later, but really. Because you can't get rid of the media--it's everywhere, and censoring won't do a whole lot of good--you need your kids to be well informed. The best way is to teach them while they are young--don't pretend that sex doesn't exist. Incorporate it as a normal bodily function: we teach our kids about drugs in school, should we stop educating them about that?

(That last colon was thrown in just to break up the monotony of those dashes.)

Ignorance is not bliss, although I like to think so. It's all about control nowadays, and if you leave it up to the media to teach your children about sexuality, then they will get the wrong message, and that's a dangerous thing.

I believe in abstinence and celibacy until marriage, seriously. But I also believe that children should know about it in order to prevent them being taught it the wrong way.

We might as well not allow Star Trek on TV, as the prostethics might frighten children if they are channel flipping alone at home

When censoring you shouldn't get extremist because then you run into two problems. 1) The general public doesn't like it. 2) The media doesn't like it. Now since the public and the media hold a lot of market power, this can create difficulties.

Oh . . . and we can't show any more footage from Iraq . . . kids watching the evening news might be terrified of all that blood and gore; cigarette pictures are definitely out since we don't want our kids smoking.

[Five - seveN]

ARGH! Cut it, RM! Just don't air the damn what-you-call-immoral movies before 9, 10 pm or so! And who says we don't want any morals? If a kid sees a naked man, do you think the kid will become a terrorist? Jus like Hitchhiker said, no. It's more likely the kid will become a terrorist if it never sees anything horrible or sexual. Just because it doesn't know how to handle certain things.

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[Jeremy]

Hey, can you please calm down! I know that the issues of what is and isn't morals works us up a lot, but try and think before your posts. Thanks

I don't think RM was saying that kids would turn into terrorists if they saw someone naked, rather that it is wrong. And neither will someone become a terrorist because they don't see something.

What is a better way of stopping abortions and STDs? Not having sex or condoms? Sure, I know that some people will have sex anyway if there is no condoms and that they are at a big risk, but from my experience in school (at the moment) there is nothing about not having sex. It's all about take the pill, condoms etc but not actually the best way is not to have sex. It hasn't been mentioned once in all my school years and I'm in my last year before I have to leave, so you can't say it will come later.

[Hitchhiker]

[Link, the Hero of Time]

[Arellia]

One wonders what happened to the concept of parents teaching their kids about sex, eh? What an idea. The parental part of the equation too many times comes in late. By the time kids are in middle school they already know far more than most parents would probably like to think. (Or, at least, my parents) --edit-- And oddly, in some ways, I agree with what Link said above. Usually, more than the media, it is the parents' fault for letting their kids see it, or for not telling them what they need to know.

I agree that it does have to be taught in schools (I think...I'm not sure I like it, but hey, I don't like the school system to begin with...) but I disagree with how it is taught. And then you get into the lovely conundrum of what to teach kids about same sex...well, sex. Which they're starting to do in California (Don't know about the rest of the U.S., so I won't speak for it). And THAT is certainly not the most calm section of the moral argument...

[Five - seveN]

[Valathous]

Link..... You are my hero!

I pretty well agree with most of what Link said. I hate it when shows or music is censored. It is a form of art, it is a form of expression. Generally children won't see nudity because that is on later at night, unless it's just a very quite glimps.

RM, Jeff doesn't need religion in his life..... People need religion taken out of their lives to get rid of terrorism! Maybe then everyone in the middle east will stop declaring Holy Wars (Jihads) against North America.
I stand by it, religion is the source of much evil and war, covered up by it's blanket of over protective "morals" which are too restricting.

People will not say swear words because they hear it on TV or in the music they listen to. It will come from who they look up to, like parents, big brothers/sisters or friends. People are not losing morals for saying words that are found in the dictionary!

What's so bad about seeing a naked man or woman? Have you ever showered? I'm sure you already know what it looks like. Then oh no! What about breast feeding?! We're exposing young children to breasts! nipples! They are even sucking on them?! Sexual acts! oh no!

^That will be the end result as far as I can tell by your views.

Saving Private Ryan..... I've never seen the movie, but I want to. I think it's incredibly stupid to ban a movie depicting how these people fought for our freedoms! The freedoms which you are trying to restrict with all of your censorship and "Culture War."

Gay marriage..... They are people too. They have feelings and are just as sentient as you or me, just as human as you or me, just as caring as you or me, just as deserving of rights as you or me.

Abortions..... A fetus is considered a parasite until birth... It is the woman's choice. I dont like the killing of them, but it is her choice. Rape babies, or crack babies and such. If they are going to die or live a horrid life, dont let them begin life only to suffer.

Stem cell research, the cure to many of man kind's diseases and epidemics! Even Superman (Reeves) thought it was a good idea! It could cure paralysis and spinal cord problems. It is thought that with enough research, we can make limbs and organs (or repair them) just by encoding the genetic material which has not been given a function, within the cell's nucleus.

Sex Ed.... Definately a good thing. Teaches kids about the risks. Showing them how to use a comdom (by using fingers or arms, or vegetables) shows kids how to protect themselves from these risks. It teaches us how our species reproduces. Without sex, there is no human race.

[Captain Dappet]

EXACTLY, I agree with you 100%!

[Arellia]

Funny, Dan...you like all freedoms, except the religious ones? Well, that's nice...

sarcasm

[Valathous]

I never said you can't have freedom of religion. Go ahead, practice your religion. My argument was take religion out instead of forcing it in, if you want better morals and such for less terrorists. But by all means, practice any religion!

[Arellia]

[Jeremy]

I see that a number of the "liberal" users (don't know what else to say) are assuming that RM is totally against abortion. In a number of places he has said though that it is right in certain circumstances, so although the points might be valid they aren't for him now.

Also another thing that I've noticed is some people say that it's the parents and friends have a big influence and others that it's the media. It's not a one or the other thing, it's a mix of both. Probably friends and family is a bit more important, but both are a large factor.

How would a government define morals if there was no major religion? I know that a lot might be "common sense" but some would be less obvious. As everyone would have different morals then it could be very difficult to state what is right and wrong.

[Republican_Man]

[Hitchhiker]

[Valathous]

lol. No sex or nudity before marriage? That's a little stupid, and restricting. You do know that a few hundred years ago, even up to maybe 150 years ago, people would get married and reproduce at the age of
12-14.... Religious people too. That's quite a ways away from 18.... Though they were normally married. But bah, you dont need to be married to have sex.

Religion is not the bringer of morals into the world, Im sorry, but it's not. I am not religious, I am like the complete absense of religion. I know about it, I probably know more about it that quite a few people, as at one point I had a christian friend try to turn me religious. I almost did, I was like 13 years old. Im 17 now, and am glad I never did, as I don't like it. When I was young I had all the peer pressure of "You'll go to hell! Come see the light!" but now I can see that science is the way to go.

Morals are brought by the publics "public morality." What people know is right and wrong through common sense and desire for safety, well-being and happiness.

Grades 5, 7, 8 and 9 are when they are taught in Canada. (sometimes grade 4 instead of 5, but usually grade 5). They focus on safe sex, how it works and how to avoid sicknesses. Abstinence is one of the things they teach as the safest way not to contract something, but they dont teach it as "follow abstinence until marriage!". Because that is just stupid in many peoples' opinions here in Canada.

Words dont need to be censored from the radio all the time. They are for the most part up until 9:30-10pm.... a few songs they let slip at about 7:30pm onwards but dont normally turn them off until 9:30-10pm. Movies or whatever, shouldn't be changed.... I like how they just give a warning before the show starts! (after 7:30pm give or take, before then it's censored unless it's a movie channel or pay-per-view)

Why should "gangsta" rap be taken off the air-waves because a few people don't like it? Many people DO like it.

I'll give you prostitution though. That's just gross. Walking biohazardous whores... (it rhymes )

And I do find a lot of things in religion waaaaaay to constraining. Obviously you don't because you were brought up to believe in them.

[Defiant]

[Arellia]

[Defiant]

Nope, didnt bother to read it.

[IntrepidIsMe]

Just to let people know, it's been proven that kids are less likely to have unsafe sex earlier, if taught about it in school, and how to use a condom, etc. People are advancing, what a waste to bother being so secretive about a natural process.

[Republican_Man]

[Puck]

Maybe people need to realize that when religious people try to take a stand for their own opinions that that is not "forcing our religious veiws" onto anyone. Why don't athiests stop trying force their ideas that sex and gay marriage are ok onto me? It just doesn't work that way, and people need to stop complaining when religious people try to make their voice heard that a "religious preference is being forced". That is BS and it pisses me off.

As for sex. Teach abstinance. Kids shouldn't have sex. Sex is for married people and that is that. It is more than just a "natural process". That is like comparing sex to eating, drinking, or breathing, or heart function, or having to go to the bathroom, or getting old, or getting taller...the list could go on.

[Hitchhiker]