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TrekkieMage
Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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 Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:19 pm |
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My two cents:
I accept that people have their own beliefs and religions. I understand why one person may be a devout Roman Catholic, and why one person may believe in Voodoo.
I do not understand why a couple of the same sex would be so threatened by a gay couple who would just like the law to recocnize their love and devotion to eachother, just like the law recognizes the couple of the same sex.
Why are people so disgusted with Gay marriage when the 'sanctity' of marriage has already been stained? Just look at public figures like Britney Spears. She's been married twice this year! You hear of people getting married and divorced, then remarried all the time! I know of Gay couples who've been together 20 years!
And for the record, by definition, denying someone a privilage or right based on Politics, race, ethics, sexual orientation, nationality or any other differences, is considered descrimination.
And RM: please don't tell people that their opinion is wrong. They are entitled to whatever opinions they want.
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ILoveHarry
Admiral
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Posts: 7909
Location: Houston
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| Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:57 pm |
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Let's stick with the egg analogy for a moment shall we? What can I say? It was a creative and witty way of making you opinion known. I like that. Let's take the same eggs. Let's say one is a common, everyday chicken egg. It makes a great omlete as well as a great scrambled egg. The other is an ostrich egg. It's very diferant to the ordinary chicken egg, yes. However, does that mean it should not be considered an egg?
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Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:42 am |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Honestly, this is why I dont debate religion. Everyone has their own opinion pro or con, and then youre challenging peoples core values, and everyone always takes it personally. So youre told what to think, by a person who never existed and still doesnt. Thats your thing, not mine. You go to the fiction section of your library, you read your bible, and you go ahead and be biased and hateful. |
And just because someone has different beleifs than you doesn't mean you can attack those beleifs. |
I attacked nothing. I simply stated my wonderful opinion. Deal with it.
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Founder
Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 12755
Location: Gamma Quadrant
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:52 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Honestly, this is why I dont debate religion. Everyone has their own opinion pro or con, and then youre challenging peoples core values, and everyone always takes it personally. So youre told what to think, by a person who never existed and still doesnt. Thats your thing, not mine. You go to the fiction section of your library, you read your bible, and you go ahead and be biased and hateful. |
And just because someone has different beleifs than you doesn't mean you can attack those beleifs. |
I attacked nothing. I simply stated my wonderful opinion. Deal with it. |
Your opinion is far from wonderful. I won't deal it if you keep saying that the Bible is ficition. I'll be biased and hateful to morons who deserve it by attacking my religion. Its bad to "hate" gays but ok to make fun of my Religion? Ones discrimination but the other is not? *cough* hypocrite *cough*
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:21 am |
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OK then, prove the bible isnt fiction. Show me facts and proofs.
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Puck
The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:33 am |
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Why don't you prove that the Bible is fiction.
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Hitchhiker
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Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:47 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | | OK then, prove the bible isnt fiction. Show me facts and proofs. |
The Bible isn't fiction though. It's marked as non-fiction. It's like the Constitution: it is a document that provides a framework for an ideology. In the Bible's case, the ideology is laid down through several anecdotes. These anecdotes may or may not be fictional, but the fact is that you can't prove it either way until we have more archaeological evidence than we do now.
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:49 am |
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The burden of proof is on you. Everything that is not non-fiction, is fiction, until proven otherwise.
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
Posts: 7823
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:51 pm |
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Through archeology a lot of the bible has proven to be true.
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:24 pm |
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Show me.
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Puck
The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:30 am |
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If you want the proof, go find it yourself and stop being lazy. Why don't you defend your obvious beleif that there is no existing God. Prove it to us why don't you.
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Defiant
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:49 am |
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If I have no proof of something existing, then it doesnt exist. End of story.
Again, the burden of proof is on you. If you want to change my mind, then you must prove your point, and youve done a VERY poor job of that so far.
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
Posts: 7823
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Five - seveN
Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 3567
Location: Shadow Moon
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:25 am |
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*ahemcoughcough* Jesus wasn't Q.
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D_Star
Lieutenant
Joined: 09 Oct 2004
Posts: 151
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:36 am |
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Should be up to the States
Here -Yes, but only open to residents of here, so yea they can move here.
Elsewhere, -according to the state... if these 11 states want to pass a ban thats up to them.
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D_Star
Lieutenant
Joined: 09 Oct 2004
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:38 am |
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| voy416 wrote: | AH WELL let the USA do it then.....let them be the supid ones
WATCH some of the other country's NOT follow suite
LET the USA be stupid and have A stupid President
Bottom LINE is PEOPLE do not like change IT is not about all the god this and god that it is about PEOPLE and how Selfish they can REALLY be
and don't jump on me on this statement this is my opinion and that is THAT |
Dude,
We have Gay marriage in Massachusetts 
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:13 pm |
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| D_Star wrote: | | voy416 wrote: | AH WELL let the USA do it then.....let them be the supid ones
WATCH some of the other country's NOT follow suite
LET the USA be stupid and have A stupid President
Bottom LINE is PEOPLE do not like change IT is not about all the god this and god that it is about PEOPLE and how Selfish they can REALLY be
and don't jump on me on this statement this is my opinion and that is THAT |
Dude,
We have Gay marriage in Massachusetts |
Because of ACTIVIST judges. Heck, the issue wouldn't be on the ballot if it wasn't for them, and the people in 11 more states have spoken.
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:17 pm |
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A bunch of people stating the bible is true? Not compelling evidence.
As for a few excavations, its pure coincidence, and you know it. Just because they find a city with some code as their language, doesnt mean jack. When people wrote the bible, they could have simply written that in for proof later on. Your evidence is not convincing.
I remain to keep an open mind. If I see compelling evidence, I will believe it. But I have seen nothing to that effect as of yet.
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
Posts: 7823
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:57 am |
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So when people dig up proof then it's not enough? Sure, I can understand why you might find some things in the bible that can't be proven, but that's the same with scientific theories. They are mostly proved, but they aren't a certainty, yet many people these days accept them. I hope you don't if they can't be solidly proven to make it fair...
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Defiant
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Joined: 04 Jul 2001
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Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:00 pm |
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No, its not enough. You didnt change my mind at all. I discredit your "facts."
And as for how many people believe its true, I couldnt care less. The only person that effects me, is me.
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:18 pm |
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If so then I discredit all scientific facts... Even if they compliment each other a lot of the time.
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