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Zeke Zabertini
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You can't blame this on the Democratic Party. Regardless of whether the perpetrators were Democrats or not, they were not acting in a manner representative of the party at large. I mean, take the converse here. When the Watergate scandal occured, that was just Richard Nixon and his lackeys. RM, you know his actions don't reflect the spirit of the Republican Party. This is the same kind of thing. There will always be bad apples on both sides.
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Defiant
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:21 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Sounds to me like you don't believe Democrats can do no wrong..... |
Youre exactly right. I dont believe that the Democrats can do no wrong. And I hate John Kerry. But I fight for him, because I hate the alternative. Now this thread went on alot longer than it had to.
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Jeff Miller
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:43 am |
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the title of this thread is Republican are whining again.... no offense to any repubs here.
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Five - seveN
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:19 pm |
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The title of the thread. Yes. The people who did this were wrong. That's it. They acted on their own. No one knows for who they vote. No one knows why they did this. This is all I have to say about this: Stop making connections. Neither real Dems nor real Reps have anything to do with this.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:02 pm |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | You can't blame this on the Democratic Party. Regardless of whether the perpetrators were Democrats or not, they were not acting in a manner representative of the party at large. I mean, take the converse here. When the Watergate scandal occured, that was just Richard Nixon and his lackeys. RM, you know his actions don't reflect the spirit of the Republican Party. This is the same kind of thing. There will always be bad apples on both sides. |
Yes, I know, and I said that I saw that in the statements about it being far-left Democrats.
| Jeff Miller wrote: | | the title of this thread is Republican are whining again.... no offense to any repubs here. |
Baloney. I was just stating something that I had heard about, but you call opposing ALL OF THESE THINGS "whining?" You have to change your definition of whining.
| Five - seveN wrote: | | The title of the thread. Yes. The people who did this were wrong. That's it. They acted on their own. No one knows for who they vote. No one knows why they did this. This is all I have to say about this: Stop making connections. Neither real Dems nor real Reps have anything to do with this. |
Wrong. I'm sure with Exalya's case Democrats have stuff to do with it, and the Florida case does--but I'm also sure that these Democrats don't represent mainstream Democrats and are far left--but ARE Democrats.
| Exalya wrote: | As I've tried to say; it doesn't matter what party did it. It more than likely was not the *official* party that had these people commit the crime. It was, more likely, some renegade lefty's, and yeah, maybe it was some way-off Repubs looking to pick a fight. Any way you cut it, it wasn't the act of the actual party itself. It was probably a group of people not even involved with their party. You can condemn what was done without condemning a whole party, but rather the people who did it. I still would be inclined to say that the people who did it were either Democrats or something farther left than that. One; I could be wrong, and two; they wouldn't represent all Dems. (Even if their sentiments might be the same, their radical actions are, again, probably not prevolent with the entire party)
I'm sure one could find vandalism among both parties. Granted, I haven't seen any Republicans having done similar acts. Either it's not talked about, I've ignored it, or it doesn't exist. There probably are pockets of it. Around where I live, though, it is most certainly the Republicans that are targetted in these type of crimes. In a predominantly Republican area, it might be the opposite. I sincerely would not know. |
I agree.
| Defiant wrote: | | I dont believe that the Democrats can do no wrong. And I hate John Kerry. But I fight for him, because I hate the alternative. Now this thread went on alot longer than it had to. |
Same here with me and the Republicans.
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Defiant
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:25 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | I dont believe that the Democrats can do no wrong. And I hate John Kerry. But I fight for him, because I hate the alternative. Now this thread went on alot longer than it had to. |
Same here with me and the Republicans. |
You know, in a different reality...I could have called you...friend.
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Birdy
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:48 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | This is a quote from someone from the Hannity Message Boards.
It makes you think.
| Quote: | Its like a little kid that watches his friend on the beach make a neat looking sandcastle. Just before his friends parents get there to look at it... he tries to knock his friends castle down so he wont get praise from his parents.
The kid who built the sand castle - Republican
The kid who knocked it down - Democrat
The parents - U.S. Citizens.
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that's ridiculous, don't you think you generalize on this? like every democrat will knock a sandcastle down, come on.. we're all human, we all make mistakes, and so do republicans.
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Birdy
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:54 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY. |
YAY!  I totally agree, Defiant! 
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Five - seveN
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:46 am |
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| RM wrote: | | Wrong. I'm sure with Exalya's case Democrats have stuff to do with it, and the Florida case does--but I'm also sure that these Democrats don't represent mainstream Democrats and are far left--but ARE Democrats. |
I was referring to what this topic is about.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:39 pm |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | This is a quote from someone from the Hannity Message Boards.
It makes you think.
| Quote: | Its like a little kid that watches his friend on the beach make a neat looking sandcastle. Just before his friends parents get there to look at it... he tries to knock his friends castle down so he wont get praise from his parents.
The kid who built the sand castle - Republican
The kid who knocked it down - Democrat
The parents - U.S. Citizens.
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that's ridiculous, don't you think you generalize on this? like every democrat will knock a sandcastle down, come on.. we're all human, we all make mistakes, and so do republicans. |
I just thought that it was an interesting opinion, and thought good of it, until I got other views which helped me to see that it is really the far-left wacked out Democrat Bush-haters who do this stuff.
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Founder
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:58 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | the title of this thread is Republican are whining again.... no offense to any repubs here. |
Kinda like Defiants thread? "Gallup is NOT an equal and fair polling site"
Democrats complaining......
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:02 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | the title of this thread is Republican are whining again.... no offense to any repubs here. |
Kinda like Defiants thread? "Gallup is NOT an equal and fair polling site"
Democrats complaining...... |
Yeah. Plus, if anything it's biased towards his side.
But also,
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I was referring to what this topic is about. |
The topic, although started about that specifically, is about all these things.
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Defiant
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| Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:08 pm |
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I wasnt complaining, only striking down RM's supposed source of "facts."
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Five - seveN
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:42 am |
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| Quote: | | Quote: |
I was referring to what this topic is about. |
The topic, although started about that specifically, is about all these things. |
Well, If you want to put it like that, all people who do these things are wrong. They should be prosecuted, for all I care. But stop saying they are Democrats. They are not. They are idiots. No more, no less.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:33 pm |
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I agree. What if they were all Catholic, does that make them Catholic Terrorists? I don't think soooooooo.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:08 pm |
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| Five - seveN wrote: | | Quote: | | Quote: |
I was referring to what this topic is about. |
The topic, although started about that specifically, is about all these things. |
Well, If you want to put it like that, all people who do these things are wrong. They should be prosecuted, for all I care. But stop saying they are Democrats. They are not. They are idiots. No more, no less. |
Many are Democrats, and in the Florida case many may be part of a Union. Now, to be fair, I've heard about several cases of Republicans (perhaps) going far as to vandalize Kerry headquarters, and it's ALL bad.
| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | I agree. What if they were all Catholic, does that make them Catholic Terrorists? I don't think soooooooo. |
I never said that they were terrorists. It was a quote.
And they are NOT terrorists--nor are these perhaps Republicans.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:31 pm |
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I never said that you said that, sheesh. Did you see your name in there?
I was getting at how stupid it would be generalize about something like this, when you don't even know who did it, 
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Birdy
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:02 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Belanna1985 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | This is a quote from someone from the Hannity Message Boards.
It makes you think.
| Quote: | Its like a little kid that watches his friend on the beach make a neat looking sandcastle. Just before his friends parents get there to look at it... he tries to knock his friends castle down so he wont get praise from his parents.
The kid who built the sand castle - Republican
The kid who knocked it down - Democrat
The parents - U.S. Citizens.
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that's ridiculous, don't you think you generalize on this? like every democrat will knock a sandcastle down, come on.. we're all human, we all make mistakes, and so do republicans. |
I just thought that it was an interesting opinion, and thought good of it, until I got other views which helped me to see that it is really the far-left wacked out Democrat Bush-haters who do this stuff. |
I don't think you're taking me seriously right now, because you put me with the other 'democrats' or whatever you want to call them. I have my opinion and I don't like to being put in a cabinet as we say in Holland. It's just petty-mindedness.
I don't intend to change your opinion. I just want you to realise you might be offending people with what you're saying because you don't take them seriously.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:57 pm |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Belanna1985 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | This is a quote from someone from the Hannity Message Boards.
It makes you think.
| Quote: | Its like a little kid that watches his friend on the beach make a neat looking sandcastle. Just before his friends parents get there to look at it... he tries to knock his friends castle down so he wont get praise from his parents.
The kid who built the sand castle - Republican
The kid who knocked it down - Democrat
The parents - U.S. Citizens.
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that's ridiculous, don't you think you generalize on this? like every democrat will knock a sandcastle down, come on.. we're all human, we all make mistakes, and so do republicans. |
I just thought that it was an interesting opinion, and thought good of it, until I got other views which helped me to see that it is really the far-left wacked out Democrat Bush-haters who do this stuff. |
I don't think you're taking me seriously right now, because you put me with the other 'democrats' or whatever you want to call them. I have my opinion and I don't like to being put in a cabinet as we say in Holland. It's just petty-mindedness.
I don't intend to change your opinion. I just want you to realise you might be offending people with what you're saying because you don't take them seriously. |
Forgive me, and I don't wish to offend you, but that's baloney.
A) I AM taking you serious, and that WAS a serious point. I was, in that "far left wached out Democrat Bush-haters" comment talking about those that DID MUCH of those acts.
You have your opinion and that's fine. I respect that. But I NEVER put you into that category.
Now, to be fair there have been a few reports of Vandalism of Kerry Headquarters as well--and those may very well be wached out IDIOT Republicans--although, as others have stated with the Democrat deal, it may just be different people. However, neither parties coordinated these, though.
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Defiant
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RM, I dont care if you bring up that Kerry headquarters has been vandalized too. I couldnt care less if you try to justify your point by showing it happens to the other side. So let me sum it up right now:
*beep* HAPPENS. Live with it. Dont point fingers, just deal with it. The more you attract attention to it, the more you encourage it.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:31 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | RM, I dont care if you bring up that Kerry headquarters has been vandalized too. I couldnt care less if you try to justify your point by showing it happens to the other side. So let me sum it up right now:
*beep* HAPPENS. Live with it. Dont point fingers, just deal with it. The more you attract attention to it, the more you encourage it. |
So then we should stop the war on terror?
And actually, I have heard no actual proof of the Kerry headquarters vandalism.
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Defiant
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We pointed the finger of blame to Iraq, and look where that got us...
YOU WANT PROOF! Heres proof from my local paper here in K-Falls:
| Herald and News wrote: | Thieves steal over 300 kerry signs
Almost every John Kerry lawn sign in Klamath Falls was stolen Thursday night, according to Ross Carroll, chairman of the Klamath County Democratic Central Committee.
A Klamath County 911 Emergency Agency spokesman said several reports of the thefts, especially in the Pacific Terrace area, were recieved, but law enforcement officers have no suspects." |
Now if it happens in a town of like 4000 people, imagine where else it would happen.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:36 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | We pointed the finger of blame to Iraq, and look where that got us...
YOU WANT PROOF! Heres proof from my local paper here in K-Falls:
| Herald and News wrote: | Thieves steal over 300 kerry signs
Almost every John Kerry lawn sign in Klamath Falls was stolen Thursday night, according to Ross Carroll, chairman of the Klamath County Democratic Central Committee.
A Klamath County 911 Emergency Agency spokesman said several reports of the thefts, especially in the Pacific Terrace area, were recieved, but law enforcement officers have no suspects." |
Now if it happens in a town of like 4000 people, imagine where else it would happen. |
Alright, proof. Thank you. Some perhaps far-right Republicans are at fault here, then.
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Defiant
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| Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:45 pm |
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Yay. So this debate is long over. And I declare myself the winner. Go me.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:40 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Yay. So this debate is long over. And I declare myself the winner. Go me. |
I don't see how you won. There really was no "point" to the debate.
I just see that you proved your point that Republicans have done stuff, after I got you going. I don't see that you won, though. But your proof did help you in changing a mind a bit 
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