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 Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:11 pm Photons and Protons |
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This is gonna make me look like a right dumb blonde now but can someone tell me the difference please. I no protons are the positive thingy in the nucleus of an atom butI don't know about protons. Are they the same thing?
v.v.confused at the mo! 
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ketchup
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| Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:12 pm |
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I think a photon is a positive lepton, and it makes up light energy.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:18 am Photons and Protons |
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Protons are subatomic particles which have a positive electric charge (opposite to electrons) and combine with neutrons via the strong nuclear force to form the nucleus of atoms (except for hydrogen). They have much more mass than electrons.
Photons are the carrier particles for electomagnetic force. What we call "light" is a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes radio waves, microwaves, infrared, ultraviolet and X-rays.
The easiest way to keep them separate in your thoughts is to think of protons as matter and photons as energy (even though quantum mechanics treats them both as wave functions).
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Ensiqn_Vorik
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:35 pm |
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| Quote: | This is gonna make me look like a right dumb blonde now but can someone tell me the difference please. I no protons are the positive thingy in the nucleus of an atom butI don't know about protons. Are they the same thing?
v.v.confused at the mo! |
keep them separate like this:
Protons are what warheads are made of
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Photons are what holograms are made of.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:39 pm |
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A photon isn't a lepton, it's a luxon. Luxons are a class of elementary particles which travel at speeds equalling that of light, they therefore have zero mass. A neutrino is another example.
They say "photon torpedo", but that's probably because it was created back in the 60s where more than half of SF was "it sounds cool", unlike today where "it sounds cooler!" is wanted.  The only reason to call it a photon torpedo is that, because they carry antimatter, they can be used at warp speeds, unlike phasers. Yet photons don't travel faster than light . . . tachyons do. 
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Five - seveN
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:40 am |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | A photon isn't a lepton, it's a luxon. Luxons are a class of elementary particles which travel at speeds equalling that of light, they therefore have zero mass. A neutrino is another example.
They say "photon torpedo", but that's probably because it was created back in the 60s where more than half of SF was "it sounds cool", unlike today where "it sounds cooler!" is wanted. The only reason to call it a photon torpedo is that, because they carry antimatter, they can be used at warp speeds, unlike phasers. Yet photons don't travel faster than light . . . tachyons do. |
They call em photon torpedos because annihilation (which is what photon torpedoes do) means that matter and antimatter *annihilate* into radiaton i.e. photons! So a photon torpedo emits photons. yay.
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Ensiqn_Vorik
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:47 pm |
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At lest I was not comely wrung.
| Quote: | | A photon isn't a lepton, it's a luxon. Luxons are a class of elementary particles which travel at speeds equalling that of light, they therefore have zero mass. A neutrino is another example. |
why does the EMH say photons and forcefields is what hes made of then.
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EnsignParis
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:51 pm |
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Because as stated earlier in the thread, photons are light.
He projects light and is surrounded by a complex forcefield to allow him to be "solid" and interact with the environment.
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B'Elanna14
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:00 pm |
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EnsignParis,Ensiqn_Vorik posted that because of what Hitchhiker posted.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:13 pm |
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Well, Ensign Paris is right. The Doctor, and other holograms, are just photons that are wrapped into a coherent shape by forcefields. They're still moving.
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superwoman
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:49 pm |
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Ok simplified version: Photons = light.
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B'Elanna14
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:23 pm |
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| Quote: | | This is gonna make me look like a right dumb blonde now but can someone tell me the difference please. I no protons are the positive thingy in the nucleus of an atom butI don't know about protons. Are they the same thing? |
I just would like to say that it doesn't make you look like a dumb blonde
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EnsignParis
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:50 pm |
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| EnsignParis wrote: | Because as stated earlier in the thread, photons are light.
He projects light and is surrounded by a complex forcefield to allow him to be "solid" and interact with the environment. |
Oopsie, I'll correct myself.
| Ensiqn_Vorik wrote: | At lest I was not comely wrung.
| Quote: | | A photon isn't a lepton, it's a luxon. Luxons are a class of elementary particles which travel at speeds equalling that of light, they therefore have zero mass. A neutrino is another example. |
why does the EMH say photons and forcefields is what hes made of then. |
Well, I'm not sure what a luxon is, but he said that luxons are a class and photons fall under that class, along with other particles, like neutrions, as he said.
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gamma flyer
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| Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:55 am |
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the alevel defrintion of a photo is that it is a small particle that it what light is made of they have no mass have never been seen but expermets can be done to show they exist they also travel at 300,000,000 meters per second which is the speed fo light
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| Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:48 am |
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| B'Elanna14 wrote: | | Quote: | | This is gonna make me look like a right dumb blonde now but can someone tell me the difference please. I no protons are the positive thingy in the nucleus of an atom butI don't know about protons. Are they the same thing? |
I just would like to say that it doesn't make you look like a dumb blonde |
LOL  . Thank you
| Quote: | | Ok simplified version: Photons = light. |
Thats about as much as I can understand. 
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| Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:46 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: |
They say "photon torpedo", but that's probably because it was created back in the 60s where more than half of SF was "it sounds cool", unlike today where "it sounds cooler!" is wanted. |
Thats probably why they came up with the 'Quantum torpedo'
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