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Theresa
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 Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:13 pm Kerry/Edwards '04 |
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Self-explanatory. Discussion is ok, bashing is not. (Of each other, naturally, the candidates? Open season.)
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:51 pm |
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Kerry/Edwards: The most Liberal ticket ever.
Kerry is a flip-flopper, Edwards is a trial lawyer-turned Senator--one that managed to win lawsuits against McDonalds for someone spilling coffe in their car. 
Kerry does NOT have a core, he has no specific values except for anti-defense and pro-tax increases, which his record CLEARLY shows, but he's flip-flopped so many times.
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Theresa
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| Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:03 pm |
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| Quote: | | John Kerry: I actually did vote for the 87 billion, before I voted against it. |
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:37 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Quote: | | John Kerry: I actually did vote for the 87 billion, before I voted against it. |
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He seems to do that a lot. 
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Puck
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:36 am |
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I want to know hooooooooow the democrats chose Kerry for President instead of Edwards. I personally think that Edwards could have really brought over alot of the votes that they need.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:32 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I want to know hooooooooow the democrats chose Kerry for President instead of Edwards. I personally think that Edwards could have really brought over alot of the votes that they need. |
Yeah, being #4 in the Most Liberal Senators List is a big improvement. 
No, you're right. Edwards would have been the better choice--but Lieberman. Boy, I like him. And yet the Dems shut him out. Shows how far left they've become.
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Puck
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:25 pm |
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Kerry's favorite Bible verse:
"They will do such things because they have known not the Father or me."
Woooow, good job there John.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:27 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Kerry's favorite Bible verse:
"They will do such things because they have known not the Father or me."
Woooow, good job there John. |
Such a HARSH attack on us all!
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Micteth-Son of Udas
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| Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:28 am |
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excuse me i have a few things to say about kerry.
1. Went to veitnam.
2. Camback and joined antiwar rallies, say the veitnam war was bad for this country,
3. Now he harps on his service in the military back in vietnam.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND KERRY!
are you proud of what you did in vietnam, or not!?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:14 pm |
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| Micteth-Son of Udas wrote: | excuse me i have a few things to say about kerry.
1. Went to veitnam.
2. Camback and joined antiwar rallies, say the veitnam war was bad for this country,
3. Now he harps on his service in the military back in vietnam.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND KERRY!
are you proud of what you did in vietnam, or not!? |
I haven't seen him against his military service. But in his response to Bush's speech he said that Bush mislead us to war, etc.
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Captain Dappet
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| Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:01 am |
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Kerry is an idiot. And Bush is an idiot as well. Kerry is just less of an idiot than Bush, but they're still pretty dumb, both of them.
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Theresa
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^Given who your idols are, I think they'd take that as a compliment, those dirty capitalists,
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Republican_Man
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | | Kerry is an idiot. And Bush is an idiot as well. Kerry is just less of an idiot than Bush, but they're still pretty dumb, both of them. |
Kerry is an idiot, yes.
Bush isn't.
And NEITHER of them are dumb. They BOTH graduated from Yale.
((Wait--did I just stand up for Kerry?!! ))
| Quote: | | ^Given who your idols are, I think they'd take that as a compliment, those dirty capitalists, |
From what Kerry's been saying, he's pretty much a socialist.
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sabertooth1217
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| Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:55 pm |
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John Kerry is a flip-flop, but I still would pick him over Bush in a second.
PM, you should be proud that you got me to say that JK is a flip flop
Just be glad I can vote this year...
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:11 pm |
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| chakotay99 wrote: | John Kerry is a flip-flop, but I still would pick him over Bush in a second.
PM, you should be proud that you got me to say that JK is a flip flop
Just be glad I can vote this year... |
Thank God!
And it's RM, not PM, buddy.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:44 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | | Kerry is an idiot. And Bush is an idiot as well. Kerry is just less of an idiot than Bush, but they're still pretty dumb, both of them. |
Kerry is an idiot, yes.
Bush isn't.
And NEITHER of them are dumb. They BOTH graduated from Yale.
((Wait--did I just stand up for Kerry?!! ))
There are many different types of dumbness, my friend
| Quote: | | ^Given who your idols are, I think they'd take that as a compliment, those dirty capitalists, |
From what Kerry's been saying, he's pretty much a socialist.
I think not. If he was, I'd agree with him, wouldn't I? The health care thing was good, but he's still a dirty Capitalist |
And thats my two roubles.
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Republican_Man
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| Quote: | | There are many different types of dumbness, my friend |
I don't see it that way.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | From what Kerry's been saying, he's pretty much a socialist. |
I think not. If he was, I'd agree with him, wouldn't I? The health care thing was good, but he's still a dirty Capitalist |
Perhaps, but he's NOT much of a Capitalist. He wants the GOVERNMENT to make the jobs--the government to do MANY more things. That's socialism, my friend.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:30 am |
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Well, they should. Kerry is less of an idiot than I thought, then.
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Kylon
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| Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:14 pm HIEL BUSH |
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Bush is like Hitler.
Both used war as a political scapegoat and used the "big lie", i.e WMD.
Both were driven by fanatical ideologies, one is right wing pseudochristian, and the other was teutonic and occult.
Both had slumping economies, used propoganda as a weapon(George Bush stopped the FCC's rulings on monopolies concerning mass media companies) and dissolved worker unions(bush does it by allowing jobs to be exported overseas, thus not allowing workers to form unions and do collective bargaining).
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:23 pm Re: HIEL BUSH |
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| Kylon wrote: | Bush is like Hitler.
No, he is NOT! That is HORRIBLE that you would be one of the people to say such a thing!!!
Both used war as a political scapegoat and used the "big lie", i.e WMD.
Bush did NOT lie about WMDs! That is something that has been PROVEN false. Who told Bush about WMDs?
-CIA
-CIA Director
-Tony Blair
-MI-6
-Russian Intelligence
-Putin
-Chirac
-King of Jordan (country RIGHT NEXT TO IRAQ)
-UN
So you, President Kylon, are presented with all this information. Do you not act on it? Huh! Bush was presented with this info which, as of now, shows that, so far it was mistaken, but that does NOT make him a liar!
Both were driven by fanatical ideologies, one is right wing pseudochristian, and the other was teutonic and occult.
My God! I agree with Hitler being that, but Bush is NOT very Conservative, but he IS very Christain and that is NOT a bad thing.
Both had slumping economies, used propoganda as a weapon(George Bush stopped the FCC's rulings on monopolies concerning mass media companies) and dissolved worker unions(bush does it by allowing jobs to be exported overseas, thus not allowing workers to form unions and do collective bargaining). |
Are you FORGETTING 9/11!!!? Huh? It had a GREAT impact! And I learned about, in my Business class this week, BUSINESS CYCLES. Ever heard of 'em? Those are the cycles of business that can last from one to THIRTEEN YEARS, ESPECIALLY with something like 9/11!
Bush has NOT used propaganda as a weapon! And how is that thing that I've never heard about related to propaganda? And Bush has NOT dissolved worker unions.
2. We are in a CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM! This is where the government doesn't control the companies, just regulates them somewhat. In a capitalist system, companies are able to run themselves, and if they weren't allowed to be overseas, then that wouldn't be good in that case.
You case for comparing the two people is HORRIBLE and void of good points.
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Theresa
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| Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:28 pm Re: HIEL BUSH |
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| Kylon wrote: | Bush is like Hitler.
Both used war as a political scapegoat and used the "big lie", i.e WMD.
Both were driven by fanatical ideologies, one is right wing pseudochristian, and the other was teutonic and occult.
Both had slumping economies, used propoganda as a weapon(George Bush stopped the FCC's rulings on monopolies concerning mass media companies) and dissolved worker unions(bush does it by allowing jobs to be exported overseas, thus not allowing workers to form unions and do collective bargaining). |
Kylon, I am not going to allow comparisons like that. Not only are they way off the mark, they are ignorant as hell. I don't want to see it again.
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jbering69
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| Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:25 am |
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I am not fond of Bush, but drawing a comparison between Hitler and Bush does cross the line. A disparaging recurring theme I have found from many people on this board is that Bush can do no wrong. Seriously folks it is the solemn duty of a nation's citizens to criticize our leaders. Has Kerry blown it in some areas? Yeah. Has Bush blown it as well? Yeah. Simply because one supports one candidate over another is no call to completely ignore your favoured's failings. And by the way people should learn the difference between communism and socialism. I ask you, what is so offensive about socialism?
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CJ Cregg
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| jbering69 wrote: | | I ask you, what is so offensive about socialism? |
The UK is a socialism coutry at the moment, so it Tony Blair. Labour
| Quote: | | �The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.� |
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Kyre
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| Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:55 am Re: Kerry/Edwards '04 |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Self-explanatory. Discussion is ok, bashing is not. (Of each other, naturally, the candidates? Open season.) |
| Theresa wrote: | | Kylon, I am not going to allow comparisons like that. Not only are they way off the mark, they are ignorant as hell. I don't want to see it again. |
So what does open season actually mean then?
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Theresa
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| Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:31 pm |
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Since we can't have a rule to cover everything, this is the rule to, well, cover everything. These issues are left to the discretion of the individual moderator(s), but may include any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, misleading, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, that otherwise violates any law, or that encourages conduct constituting a criminal offense. |
Within the rules of STV, clearly.
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