| Do you think 9/11 was justified? |
| YES!! Die American ******* |
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| NOOOOO!! Die OSAMA you ******* |
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harrykims#1fan
Fan Girl Muskateer
Joined: 08 Feb 2002
Posts: 2916
Location: Leicester UK
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 Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:29 am |
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There is no way that 9/11 was justifiable,
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:59 am |
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I agree with kmma, without first hand knowledge you can not make an accurate opinion, a few weeks ago I was one of a team of 20 to try to liberate a prison camp near the border, It was terrifying, the sounds and the smells and the sanitary conditions were dreadful! That is the first time i have seen who I killed, seen into their eyes. I mean i've killed people before. But not like that. Not within 2 feet of the person I killed... I murdered. If you want to know what its like to kill someone, imagine. You are holding a 9mm pistol at the head of a team of 5 men terrified out of their wits and a man comes around the corner aiming a sub-machine gun at you and your team. Then imagine you are in a tiny hallway only room for one person across. With blood spatered on the walls. Then imagine rasing your gun and firing, once, but once is enough. The echos of that shot will haunt my dreams forever. Then hearing the Iraqi man's screams of pain as you step over him and each of your men in turn step over him. Then ordering the last man in your team to "Put him out of his misery". Yup thats what I said the pistol fire could be heard from the opposite side of the hallway. Now imagine seeing row after row of cages full of... children, mostly boys but some girls too, most of them abused and frightened. Imagine those children running to the back of their cell scared of the people come to save them. That is what I did a few weeks back that is what earnt my promotion. That is why I want to pack my combatant status away, along with my medals. To me it seems that some governments are hypocritical, they jail up murderers, but award millitary soldiers. It seems to me that we too are murderers, and deserve to be locked up.
But thats just me. So don't go making an opinion untill you know all the facts.
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 19045
Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:00 am |
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Tell em Mac 
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:03 am |
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kmma does your husband in the business?
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 19045
Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:05 am |
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He is a sergant in the army. He was in Iraq from Jan 23 03 to July 16th 03. He fought in the Iraqi war and he was over there and seen alot of stuff that the media don't show. He is going back in Oct.
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:12 am |
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I am being sent over in late Sept to clear the way for the Army:P
When I was a kid I just wanted to be in the Navy. I thought it would be fun, but most of the time we are on boarder patrol of something boring, then when war does come, I always lose someone. I lost my best friend (and CO) on my last TOD (tour of duty) in Afganistan, Damn Terrorists, Damn Media. The should be able to show everything thats happening. Not some bullsh*t they call a War, war is losing things. Not seeing other people lose them.
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 19045
Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:16 am |
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God Bless you Mac. Charlie hadn't lost any friends but he is lucky I say. Ihope he is lucky once more this time he will be over there a year. I will be a pathatic wife crying and missing. But I have friends to keep me cheered up.
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:34 am |
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hey, look at it this way, he'll be so tired when he gets home he can't complain about the state of the house!
^ That was from my wife Samantha who also worries about me.
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Jeff Miller
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001
Posts: 23947
Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:48 am |
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The US will always have enemys because we are the top country and are better. it has nothing to do with leaders its just jealousy.
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:58 am |
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Yes but America should remember: It will always have enemies, but it won't always have allies, and if the world turns on her, she will be crushed.
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NewWorldOrder
Freshman Cadet
Joined: 05 May 2004
Posts: 9
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:02 am |
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I am a member of The Order Of Ther Knights Templar..and even though I am not a liberty to discuss 9/11 lets say theres alot more to it then just Osama and Al-Queda...hehe Lots more.
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WeAz
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Joined: 03 Apr 2004
Posts: 1519
Location: Where you aren't
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:11 pm |
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| Mac Harm wrote: | I have two things to say:
1. What is the one thing America hasn't shied away from fighting for? Freedom, what do terrorists do? Take Freedom away thats what!
2. I would imagine it hard to declare war on terrorisim, i mean that in some respects the American military is a terrorist group, why does no one fight the Americans directly? They are too scared of going against the worlds largest Army (America) and her ally the worlds largest Navy (U.K.) and terrorists are people that instill fear into people.
These are my independant opinions though, I understand that people have different people have different opinions, but as a soldier that is fighting in the war against terror I believe that no wars, no fighting at all is the way to go. |
america has the largest navy by 12 ships 
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It was Bush, not Clinton, who ignored the warning signs for 9/11.
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Pah-Wraith
Sheikh
Joined: 30 Nov 2001
Posts: 6012
Location: Londonistan.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:50 pm |
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| NewWorldOrder wrote: | | I am a member of The Order Of Ther Knights Templar..and even though I am not a liberty to discuss 9/11 lets say theres alot more to it then just Osama and Al-Queda...hehe Lots more. |
Yeah and you have also publicly called Christianity- a False Religion, with the real Bible hidden in the Vatican, Islam- a Barbaric Religion and Jews a Race of Nutcases. So nothing you say can really be considered Valid 
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 19045
Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:57 pm |
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what you mean christianilty being a false religion, may offend christians that are on here who believe in God, or maybe Iam just misundering once again.
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Anubis2k4
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004
Posts: 308
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:12 pm |
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| CaptianCircuitGod wrote: | | Do you know what the Iraqis are doing to the POWs they capture? |
The Iraqis may be doing horrible things to their prisoners but what about what the American soldiers were doing? The things that those pictures showed were just plain wrong. I'm not saying its just americans, more than likely some brits are doing it too, but i don't think you should criticise the Iraqis' treatment of prisoners when american soldiers were abusing Iraqi prisoners too.
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Pah-Wraith
Sheikh
Joined: 30 Nov 2001
Posts: 6012
Location: Londonistan.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:51 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | what you mean christianilty being a false religion, may offend christians that are on here who believe in God, or maybe Iam just misundering once again. |
yeah you are misunderstanding- NewWorldOrder has said everything I just referred to, not me.
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Thomas
Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001
Posts: 19730
Location: Manchester
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:00 pm |
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| Anubis2k4 wrote: | | CaptianCircuitGod wrote: | | Do you know what the Iraqis are doing to the POWs they capture? |
The Iraqis may be doing horrible things to their prisoners but what about what the American soldiers were doing? The things that those pictures showed were just plain wrong. I'm not saying its just americans, more than likely some brits are doing it too, but i don't think you should criticise the Iraqis' treatment of prisoners when american soldiers were abusing Iraqi prisoners too. |
Isn't it amazing how they receive such different amounts of media coverage?  I'm pretty sure that was CCG's point.
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superwoman
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Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 5742
Location: Sweden
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:27 pm |
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It wasn't fair play to kill the innocent, but worse things has happend. And this was a one time thing, think of those who has to live with this sorts of things every day.
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CaptianCircuitGod
Captain
Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 788
Location: The Delta Quadrant
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| Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:41 pm |
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ok this is the opinion of me and some of the guys in my shop. The power jumps from country to country. It started with Rome( while not a country this is where the power started they were the first "Super Power), and now the power has come to AMERICA. But the power will not stay. Just as it has moved from Europe so shall it move from America. We give it 100yrs until the fall of the United States.
By the way we are all communications in the United States Air Force. So don't try to bad mouth us. We had the nerve to step up to defend our country. And have the right to say stuff like this.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
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Location: United States of America
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:17 pm |
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I don't think that America will "fall" in 100 years. Decline, maybe, but fall? No. Something catastrophic would have to happen for that to be so.
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LightningBoy
Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 1446
Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:52 pm |
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| Anubis2k4 wrote: | | CaptianCircuitGod wrote: | | Do you know what the Iraqis are doing to the POWs they capture? |
The Iraqis may be doing horrible things to their prisoners but what about what the American soldiers were doing? The things that those pictures showed were just plain wrong. I'm not saying its just americans, more than likely some brits are doing it too, but i don't think you should criticise the Iraqis' treatment of prisoners when american soldiers were abusing Iraqi prisoners too. |
And many worse things happen in college dorm hazings across the civilized world.
It's not that bad, I can't even compare stripping someone to BEHEADING someone, but yet, if you're watching the brainwashing liberal media, you'll defy logic and forget that .
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LightningBoy
Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 1446
Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:56 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | I don't think that America will "fall" in 100 years. Decline, maybe, but fall? No. Something catastrophic would have to happen for that to be so. |
America will not fall any time soon? Why? Because pure Capatalism (which the U.S. is the closest in the world to) will ALWAYS attract the best and the brightest.
Why would a genius inventor release a revolutionary invention in, let's just say, Sweden; where he'll be massively taxed on every one he sells and he'd only make a 30% profit, when he can bring it over to the U.S. and lose a substantially smaller amount to taxes, and make a 75% profit.
Capatalism and complete freedom is something the world hasn't tried before the U.S. and it's something that will garner the power for the U.S. forever, unless we change that.
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Mac Harm
True Captain
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 377
Location: Sailing the ocean blue... well its green actually.
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| Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:07 am |
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| superwoman wrote: | | It wasn't fair play to kill the innocent, but worse things has happend. And this was a one time thing, think of those who has to live with this sorts of things every day. |
Well i am sorry to say that nothing in war is fair.
I have probably caused the death of Iraqi civlians, defenatly caused some Afgani deaths then there was Timor. But sometimes these thins can't be helped. I am NOT saying that it is right but it happens on both sides.
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