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Republican_Man
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| Theresa wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | Well, you are just the same... Pot v. Kettle, yanno? |
Yanno? if you mean you know I'll admit I am biased but I also listen they both have things that I don't agree on.
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| Quote: | Chapter 1: The begining of the empire
It all started on November 6th, 2000 in Washington DC which was the capitol of our beauitful country we were voting in a new president. Our Choices George W. Bush or Al Gore. Bush was a republician and Gore was a Democrat. We had knowledge of Bush from his father who was also a former president his big mark in history was that he sent out troops into to Kuwait to stop Sadam Husain from taking the oil that Kuwait was producing in other words it was just another madman wanting to take over and bully his neighbors well our troops were succesfull in driving off Sadam from Kuwait fast forword 10 years now its 2000 and we are voting in our president it went for weeks because of Florida messing up. When it was all said and done Bush came though well things went back to normal. Little did I know that this was the begining of the end. The change wasn't quick but it was there say good bye to United states of america and hello to Bushes United Empire. To be continued. Author: Jeff Miller |
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Yes, it continued...Indeed..And HOW do you get an Empire from a Democracy?!!
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Pah-Wraith
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| Sat May 01, 2004 4:49 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | Well, you are just the same... Pot v. Kettle, yanno? |
Yanno? if you mean you know I'll admit I am biased but I also listen they both have things that I don't agree on.
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| Quote: | Chapter 1: The begining of the empire
It all started on November 6th, 2000 in Washington DC which was the capitol of our beauitful country we were voting in a new president. Our Choices George W. Bush or Al Gore. Bush was a republician and Gore was a Democrat. We had knowledge of Bush from his father who was also a former president his big mark in history was that he sent out troops into to Kuwait to stop Sadam Husain from taking the oil that Kuwait was producing in other words it was just another madman wanting to take over and bully his neighbors well our troops were succesfull in driving off Sadam from Kuwait fast forword 10 years now its 2000 and we are voting in our president it went for weeks because of Florida messing up. When it was all said and done Bush came though well things went back to normal. Little did I know that this was the begining of the end. The change wasn't quick but it was there say good bye to United states of america and hello to Bushes United Empire. To be continued. Author: Jeff Miller |
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Yes, it continued...Indeed..And HOW do you get an Empire from a Democracy?!! |
Quite Easily 
Ever Heard of the British Empire?
Ancient Greece invented the practice of Democracy, a concept passed on to the Romans and they Both had amongst the Strongest Empires History has seen 
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Puck
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:17 am |
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This doesn't make America an empire though.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:12 pm |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | Well, you are just the same... Pot v. Kettle, yanno? |
Yanno? if you mean you know I'll admit I am biased but I also listen they both have things that I don't agree on.
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| Quote: | Chapter 1: The begining of the empire
It all started on November 6th, 2000 in Washington DC which was the capitol of our beauitful country we were voting in a new president. Our Choices George W. Bush or Al Gore. Bush was a republician and Gore was a Democrat. We had knowledge of Bush from his father who was also a former president his big mark in history was that he sent out troops into to Kuwait to stop Sadam Husain from taking the oil that Kuwait was producing in other words it was just another madman wanting to take over and bully his neighbors well our troops were succesfull in driving off Sadam from Kuwait fast forword 10 years now its 2000 and we are voting in our president it went for weeks because of Florida messing up. When it was all said and done Bush came though well things went back to normal. Little did I know that this was the begining of the end. The change wasn't quick but it was there say good bye to United states of america and hello to Bushes United Empire. To be continued. Author: Jeff Miller |
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Yes, it continued...Indeed..And HOW do you get an Empire from a Democracy?!! |
Quite Easily
Ever Heard of the British Empire?
Ancient Greece invented the practice of Democracy, a concept passed on to the Romans and they Both had amongst the Strongest Empires History has seen |
Okay, well, yes, good point. What I meant was that unless a dictatorship or whatnot is COMPLETELY formed, countries, like the US, are NOT Empires.
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Puck
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:23 pm |
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The difference between America and these other empires is that usually, these other empires were invading others. America does not invade, we liberate.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:28 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | The difference between America and these other empires is that usually, these other empires were invading others. America does not invade, we liberate. |
Exactly. We've been a Superpower since the early 1900s, if not sooner, and yet have we invaded other countries for evil and attacked a country using our might for NO GOOD REASON? No. We haven't.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:46 pm |
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We really dont liberate, We just fix our mistakes and protect our own hides. I mean It's not like we helped put Saddam in power or anything.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:50 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | We really dont liberate, We just fix our mistakes and protect our own hides. I mean It's not like we helped put Saddam in power or anything.
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Okay, that was the PAST--We DID NOT KNOW THAT SADDAM WOULD DO THIS WHEN WE SUPPORTED HIM. Now we have LIBERATED Iraq (and a place called Afganhistan, remember that?) and we have hte RIGHT to "protect our own hides." However, this war wasn't just to protect US, but to protect EVERYONE.
And that picture, in my OPINION, is SO idiotic. We WENT TO WAR TO PROTECT US AND THE WORLD AND YET WE LIBERATED A COUNTRY ALONG THE WAY!!!!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat May 01, 2004 4:32 pm |
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Oh yes, lets protect everyone. We started off with Afganistan to capture someone who Hurt us badly, now we moved on to liberate a place that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks.
And it's funny to say we liberated Iraq, because it seems that we're now controling it, instead of letting the people pick their leaders. Isn't that what liberating is all about? Giving them self autonomy.
It seems to me that the world doesn't want our help. No country, save Britain, seems to want to help us in this "Mighty quest to rid the world of Terrorism"
"Responsible freedom of self-determination, becoming truly self-confident and free to be unconditionally responsible for oneself without being coerced into accepting some higher authority. What we are looking for, we already are."
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Puck
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| Sat May 01, 2004 7:39 pm |
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| Quote: | | And it's funny to say we liberated Iraq, because it seems that we're now controling it, instead of letting the people pick their leaders. Isn't that what liberating is all about? Giving them self autonomy. |
Just today we handed over power to an Iraqi in Fullujah.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat May 01, 2004 7:50 pm |
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but we have yet to give them full control of their government.
The people can choose their officials to run the country. We need to just sit on the sidelines and watch.
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Puck
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| Sat May 01, 2004 7:52 pm |
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Thats whats happening, there is even a date for it....you would know that if you kept up with current events.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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I know of the date, Hel* every american knows about that date.
Unfortunetly, I'm a realist. Do I think we'll pull out on that exact date, No. Will we give most of the power back to the Iraqi people, Most of it, but not all.
And dont talk like you know me, It's insulting.
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Puck
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| Sat May 01, 2004 8:07 pm |
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It was one sentence, I dont see how anything in there could imply that I know you....I am sorry you took it that way.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat May 01, 2004 8:19 pm |
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Sorry, It was just the way it sounded. lack of sleep makes me edgy.
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Theresa
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| Sat May 01, 2004 9:43 pm |
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Thank God France didn't feel that way when we needed help being "liberated" from England...
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Republican_Man
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| Sat May 01, 2004 10:02 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Oh yes, lets protect everyone. We started off with Afganistan to capture someone who Hurt us badly, now we moved on to liberate a place that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks.
Okay, we are in a time of TERRRORISM. Regardless of whether or not Saddam is linked to the attacks, he DID support terrorists, giving them money, weapons, etc.
And it's funny to say we liberated Iraq, because it seems that we're now controling it, instead of letting the people pick their leaders. Isn't that what liberating is all about? Giving them self autonomy.
Liberating, in my opinion, is freeing people from oppressive dictators, etc and giving them FREEDOM. And we ARE planning to hand Iraq over to them, as you well know. But we FREED THEM FROM THE OPPRESSIVENESS OF AN IDIOT DICTATOR!!
It seems to me that the world doesn't want our help. No country, save Britain, seems to want to help us in this "Mighty quest to rid the world of Terrorism"
Look beyond your nose...Other countries, such as Australia, Pakistan, now SAUDI ARABIA, and SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRIES have joined our anti-terror coalition. They've seen the truth, now...
"Responsible freedom of self-determination, becoming truly self-confident and free to be unconditionally responsible for oneself without being coerced into accepting some higher authority. What we are looking for, we already are."
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They WILL get to run their own country ASAP!!! |
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:18 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Okay, we are in a time of TERRRORISM. Regardless of whether or not Saddam is linked to the attacks, he DID support terrorists, giving them money, weapons, etc. |
Hmmm... didn't we do that for them some years ago? I guess we were helping terrorists then. And dont say we weren't. we were supplying rebels with weapons to overthrow the government.
| Quote: | | Liberating, in my opinion, is freeing people from oppressive dictators, etc and giving them FREEDOM. And we ARE planning to hand Iraq over to them, as you well know. But we FREED THEM FROM THE OPPRESSIVENESS OF AN IDIOT DICTATOR!! |
Yes, but we are still running the country by our standards. They will truely be liberated when they are running the country by themselves
| Quote: | | Look beyond your nose...Other countries, such as Australia, Pakistan, now SAUDI ARABIA, and SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRIES have joined our anti-terror coalition. They've seen the truth, now... |
Look beyond your Ideal world, Half of the countries dont truely believe in the cause. They have something to gain by helping.[/quote]
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Theresa
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:30 pm |
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I was iggied,  
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Link, the Hero of Time
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you were what?? 
"Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjection; the last arguments to which kings resort."
-- Patrick Henry
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Theresa
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National honor is national property of the highest value. ~James Monroe, first inaugural address, 4 March 1817
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Link, the Hero of Time
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"Death and destruction are the constant companions of soldiers, that is true. But they are not our purpose! They are not our goal! WE fight because the politicians have failed to keep the peace. We do not fight for the love of killing, for the delight of destruction!"-- Colonel Ngo Duong Giap, in Moonwar by Ben Bova
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Puck
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Theresa
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Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain
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