"One Nation UNDER GOD" ?

Kate Janeway · **Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:11 pm**

^^It doesn't really bother me either, but for others, it comes dangerously close to forcing the Christian religion down our throats. <-- 'Our' meaning everyone who says the pledge.

Leo Wyatt · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:55 pm**

In my opinion, dont take it the wrong way cause I am not being harsh if I am let me know. I don't want to offend nobody else on here. If you don't want to say it then don't but let the ones who does like it do. Nobody has to force anybody. Gee I sounded a little nicer lol.

Republican_Man · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:17 pm**

Kate Janeway · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:19 pm**

^That's fine and all, but the thing is, although it might not have been intended to force or sound forced, some/many will perceive as being such.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Ok, guys, I think that people should have better things to worry about than two words in the pledge. They can leave out those words if they don't like them. Don't waste important peoples time whining about this, and don't waste our taxpayer money on this small little thing when we could be using it for much more important stuff.

Kate Janeway · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:33 pm**

^Agreed. Now that the horse has been resuscitated and flogged to death again, I hope it can be laid to rest this time.

Republican_Man · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:50 pm**

I agree as well.

IntrepidIsMe · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:23 pm**

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Yes, this whole thing is just a waste of time, its two words, if you don't like it, don't say it, you don't have to take it to court. I mean think about it, its is two words that have been in there for what...50 years about....has there been some big religious revolution because of it, has this issue just so terribly violated peoples rights, I doubt it. All this is going to do is waste our tax money. Its almost as bad as that 9-11 hearing.

IntrepidIsMe · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:36 pm**

I really can't see how you think this topic is so trivial. Unless there is a hearing, and a decision is made, people will continue to push for the words to be removed. There needs to be a hearing so this issue can be settled.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Ok, I guess your right, just gets on my nerves that people would care so much about a few words that they dont even have to say.

IntrepidIsMe · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:46 pm**

To them, those "few words" are against their constitutional rights,

Republican_Man · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:01 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:57 pm**

I guess we'll just have to wait to find out,

Not to mention, as you said "VIRTUALLY all religions."

Anti-crombie1 · **Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:31 pm**

wow, you really learned how to party since you moved.

Starbuck · **Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:24 pm**

I don't think they should be taken out. When I grew up, I was raised to believe everything that I was told about God and religion and America. Then I grew up, and began to question not only my faith, but everything I was told about the country. I started by breaking down the pledge of alleigence. Since I've done that, I have a new perspective. I put my break down of it blow.

I pledge alligence -- I'm with my country

to the flag -- symbolic of the country

of the united states of america -- just what it says

and to the republic -- my country, who rather than run by a monarch or dictator is run as a democracy by a president

for which it stands -- the foundation my country is built on

one nation under God -- one unified nation, under the principals that all believe in

indivisible with liberty and justice for all -- we will not break apart, and we will give you your rights.

Republican_Man · **Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:23 pm**

jbering69 · Lieutenant Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 137 Location: Canada

Y'know originally I was leaning to the side of concern for the words in the American pledge of allegiance, then I re - considered. The reason I re - considered is that I remembered that in Canada'a national anthem there is a part (God keep our land, glorious and free) that can arguably bear the same perceived problem. Then I started thinking about if people wanted to re - word it, and I didn't like it. I am by no means a religious man, but respect the side of tradition. So now I am in the camp of "If you don't like it, then don't say it". We'll see what happens tomorrow.

Deciviel · **Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:09 pm**

Wow, this is an old topic. But anyway, I think that the words "Under God" should stay in the pledge. I mean, if someone doesn't want to say it because of their beliefs, they don't have to say it. And how is listening to other people saying it hurting you if you don't beleive in it? Right, it's not.

The funny thing is, the guy who brought this up lives in my city I believe.

TrekkieMage · **Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:49 pm**

Personally I believe it should be taken out.

I do understand that the majority of America is religious and believes in there being a God. I have no issue with that.

My problem lies in the fact that our Founding Fathers designed this country to be secular. They believed that everyone should have the right to practice their own religion, however it should not be brought into the government.

This makes perfect sense, no religion should be surpressed, but absolutly no religion should be used in the government or used to justify actions taken by the government.

I do not believe we should take it to such extremes as France by banning all religious symbols. I just don't think the phrase "In God we trust" should be in our national pledge.

Just putting my two cents in

Arellia · **Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:04 pm**

Actually, some of the constitution was based at least somewhat biblically. They didn't appear to want it that secular. Certainly considering the introduction to the Declaraction of Independence. (Even though, and I do note, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document)

Hitchhiker · **Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:51 pm**

Although I prefer secularism over religion in many cases, I think it should stay.

Just like, as someone brought up, our Canadian anthem has "God" in it, so can the American Pledge of Allegiance. Remember that the word "God" is not defined, so therefore to the atheists out there it could simply be a three-letter word that is synonymous with a nonexistent postulated omnipotent entity. For believers in a "God", it can mean their "God" of choice. It's a matter of perception.

voy416 · **Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:44 pm**

It is not really a big deal whether it says under god OR under the devil WHO CARES
it is not like you have to say it 24/7
hey in some schools u got to say it but hell kids in my High School do not even say it FOR what for the ALL proud USA give me a BREAK