"One Nation UNDER GOD" ?

Kate Janeway · **Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:20 pm**

To be honest, I wasn't either, but I already knew about it.

Republican_Man · **Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:02 pm**

In my History/Social Studies Class, we had a "Current Event" last week that talked about it. In my first post I said that it was in 1954.
But all that aside, once again I will say it:
We [the US] were founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, therefore we must keep the Pledge how we have it now! It shows how spiritual America was and still shall be. Plus, no SPECIFIC RELIGION IS BEING ESTABLISHED THROUGH THIS. Therefore, this is NOT a major Separation of Church and State Issue! However, it does depend on your interpretation of the establishment clause.

Monkey · **Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:44 am**

There is only one God and He created us, forgave us, died for us and now we want to remove Him? this world is nuts

Republican_Man · **Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:05 pm**

In my religious opinion, I agree with that, but other religions have God too...

Natira · **Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:08 pm**

To be honest, I think people are just being stupid. I'm a Christian, I believe totally in one God, and said the pledge of allegiance as a child. Having said that, I can honestly say that saying the words under God didnt have any effect on me. It never caused me to stop and think about that fact. Maybe it should have though.

It needs to stay. If it does get taken out, maybe I should petition that nothing be mentioned about gay and lesbian lifestyle in school. After all, that is something that I was taught as a child was Biblicly wrong, so that would be forcing me to learn about something I didnt belive in. No matter what, there will always be this type of situation til someone stops it. Today it's the Pledge of Allegiance, what's tomorrow, re-writing the constitution?

Natira · **Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:15 pm**

Wait, maybe here's a better idea. How about we just burn the flag, tear down all the monuments and grave stones for vets and those who gave thier lives fighting for a cause, and start over?

Dont you all see that this nation was founded because of the fact that we were being forced to believe what European Nations told us to? We fought for our freedom of speech, our freedom to worship the God of our choice, or even choose to worship no one.

Have a little respect for those who willingly gave their lives to give you those choices.

Monkey · **Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:47 am**

You go natira

Natira · **Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:00 pm**

LOL, I did get a little excited, didnt I?

Republican_Man · **Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:56 pm**

Monkey · **Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:37 am**

but do little kids even know what there talking about? i mean if they were forced to decide between death and allegence to america just becuase they pledge would they? since there young just becuase they say something does'nt mean they mean it

Republican_Man · **Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:10 pm**

Monkey · **Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:24 am**

but then i'm not sure I understood what I was saying and I'm not sure if I still pledge MY aliegence

Leo Wyatt · **Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:27 am**

Little children will know what it means if the parent teaches him/her the right way. A parent is responsible for that child in his/her upbringing.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

They taught us what the pledge meant, back in elementary school.....but I really dont remember them going over the "under God" clause.

Theresa · **Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:49 am**

Here, either. To us as kids, it was just words, we never really learned about what we were saying until Civics classes started. We used to have to sing, "My Country 'Tis of Thee", too. (AKA "America")

Anti-crombie1 · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:59 pm**

That has bothered me for a long time, it should be taken off of our money too.

I am sick of the entire country, I dont want to live here anymore

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Ok, no one is stopping you from leaving.

Monkey · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:21 pm**

Well thers the small fact that I'm a minor and i can't just pack up and move only 20 months 12 days then it's Japan for me

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Well if you want to, you can leave when you are old enough. Until then, you will just have to suffer here in America where the conditions are just terrible

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Monkey · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:38 pm**

yeah man all this freedom and love ughh i need sorrow

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

I feel your pain

*sarcasm*

Theresa · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:58 pm**

Kate Janeway · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:29 pm**

T. Dean · **Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:09 pm**

The saying doesn't bother me, even though I am an atheist. I see it as a formailty, a tradition .... sayings like that our like the Queen of England, a nice little reminder of the past without any real meaning. Then again, I can see why others might be offended. Stuff like this should be put to a referendum not decided by judges and politicians.

Los · **Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:11 am**

For once, I agree with a Brit.