Is Startrek and Sci-Fi doomed?

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

Is startrek doomed? after enterprise whats left? nothing,

rumours of startrek titan but thats it. I fear that startrek is over.

Sci-fi is also over, after enterprise and Stargate which is the only 2 series i see are still running whats left?

your thoughts?

Theresa · **Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:15 pm**

Trek may be dying, but I don't think sci-fi is. Alot of these shows running now, like the reality shows, will only last so long.
The problem w/ sci-fi these days is in a few years it becomes science fact.
There are a couple of more shows out there that are sci-fi, just not as obvious as stuff like Trek, and SG-1.

sabertooth1217 · **Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:40 pm**

i think star trek is dieing because of enterprsies bad rates. only that reason.

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

They should never have done enterprise, at least not like they did, for instance putting the borg in there.

Well problem is, for us non-digital UK viewers you only get 6 channels, and Sky1 (basically fox i spose) is the only channel that plays latest sci-fi stuff, they have Andromeda on right now, which isnt very good. Stargate 7th season and enterprise 3rd season is gonna be on there end of year or next year. Theres nothing else scheduled. When a Sci-fi Series ends they just dump it on there at 3am or something,

The Delta Flyer · **Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:42 pm**

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

i totally agree with you there.

The Delta Flyer · **Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:39 am**

IMO, they havn't done anything to increase ratings in the long term. Rather than introduce better stories to improve the show, what did they do? Fall back on the Borg, one of the most "done" aliens in Trek-ness. Then they gave T'Pol a sexy catsuit to wear,etc. Whilst these things are gonna look good in the episode they don't do anything for the reputation of the series.

Take Babylon 5 again, (I'm a big fan lol), I started watching because I heard of the quality of the stories via the use of the season arcs, etc and that was something original. Also the "epicness" of the series was excellent and the idea of an "ancient evil", ie. the Shadows, was excellent despite being an unoriginal concept in itself.

Take the Shadow War arc from B5 and the Temporal Cold War from Enterprise. In the "Shadow War", the shadows were never initiall seen. Instead they were just heard of...for example, seemingly innocuous reprts on ISN (The news channel) of jet-black ships being seen in Hyperspace but vanishing without a trace. This mystery of who and what the shadows were was built up throughout the first couple of seasons without any definitive answer being given.

However, in Enterprise, the Temporal Cold War was pretty much explained within the first season (except the explanation of "Future Guy")...no mystery was created, consequentiall no tension has been built up and, in my opinion, not enough episodes have been devoted to the arc. Instead the Temporal Cold War seems to be a thing of some importance but nothing that demands immediate attention; it has no real significance. Only a couple of episodes are devoted to it each season and whilst too many would just ruin it, too few leave the plot feeling shallow.

To me, Enterprise is becoming a clone of just another Trek series; it's not doing anything that's never been done before.

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

Yes i love babylon 5.

Yeah the build up to the shadow war was remarkably done. Like that pilots recording of one in hyperspace. cant remember his name now.

Your absolutly right, like babylon 5 you need a story in there thats gonna slowly spread into the series thru each season.

B5 had a few evolving storylines, Shadows, President Clark and the assasination. The plots of the Psi Corps and many more.

Jeff Miller · **Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:38 pm**

you can't make a ommlet without breaking a few eggs Voyager and Enterprise is the proof Im sure they'll make a really good series after enterprise I still would like to see one about the academy

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

hmm, the Academy would be good, i think that might work,

Jeff Miller · **Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:58 am**

Hey cool someone likes my idea

all I need now is to find someone who works for paramount and sell my idea to them

The Delta Flyer · **Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:24 pm**

I think that they've had 14 years of show (DS9 and Voyager combined) not to mention TOS and TNG - they should know how to make a successful series by now lol!

PS. The pilot's name was Keffer (Warren Keffer...I'm not so sure about his first name)

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

ah thats it,

In one of the commentaries, JMS wanted to kill the pilot role because thats just what he didnt want, apparently Warner bro's wanted to have a starring pilot,

The_Doctor · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 339

I think when they made Enterprise they wanted to try to make a truly unique show, different from TNG, Voyager, etc, but I think they got to unique and different from the other shows. I think we all don't like Enterprise, because it's a bit too different from the other shows that we're used to.

The Delta Flyer · **Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:52 am**

I think Enterprise it too similar to previous Trek series. It's the same thing but just given a different name.

We were led to believe we were getting a revolutionary new series. What we got was the same stuff repackaged. In my opinion.

Take the weapons for example:

Phase Cannons are almost identical to Phasers
Photonic Torpedoes; Photon Torpedoes
Polarised Hull Plating/ Shields

It's all the same but with another name

Melodramatic · Rear Admiral Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 4577

I dont think Star Trek is over.
It seems that way raight now, but I think its far from over.

sabertooth1217 · **Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:39 am**

i agree with dana, it does look like ent will be the end but i think it will have one more show aftwards

Sonic74205 · **Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:20 pm**

i hiope star trek doesnt finish for good but i would have to say its probably true... oh and other than people on the net, i am the only full blown trekkie in the town that i come from... a far as i know

ILoveHarry · Admiral Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 7909 Location: Houston

Um... hello... it's not ending b/c all of us will ransack the studio and force them to make a new series using all of us as characters!!! We'll just apply our RPG characters to the new show.

Sonic74205 · **Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:06 pm**

HAHAHA...
thats probably true!

jbering69 · Lieutenant Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 137 Location: Canada

Something that I really liked was the PC games Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force. The idea was that Tuvok trained an 'elite force' of crewmembers whose purpose was to go on those away missions that required expertise in combat, demolitions, alien computer hacking etc. These people were called the 'Hazard Team'. In the second game the Hazard Team transferred over to the Enterprise. Both games were great in that they were not just first person shooters but followed a storyline that unfolded just like episodes of Trek.

The Delta Flyer · **Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:08 pm**

I think they should take it away from the Federation for a change. I don't mean put it on a Klingon ship or something...I was thinking more of a smuggler ship or something. See the Federation from the other side, kinda thing.

I just realised how much i say 'something' and 'kinda thing'...if someone catches me saying it again, yell @ me!