Message From America (from Robin Williams)

Theresa · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:41 pm**

France asked for assistance quite recently, actually. Do a search about the heat wave there this past year.
England requested men and munitions and money in WWII. And you can't say that was a long time ago, because that would be included in the "overthrowing tyrants" comment.

I never said Bush was a "good guy". Do I support my president? Yes. Did Saddam need to go? Yes. Osama? Yes.

But there is no way you are going to say that the South American stuff has anything to do with Bush. If you are as widely versed in American politics as you claim to be, (and yes, you do, by telling us everything that is wrong with America), then you would know that it takes 2 or 3 years for anything from one Presidential Administration (term), is felt. Most of the things in the first 2-3 years of Bush's term was from things enacted by Clinton, a total moron. Just because a law is passed, (or a precendent), on Monday, does not mean it's enacted on Tuesday.

Jeremy · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:07 pm**

I know that. I also support Bush unlike many Europeans, but it was just one or two of your points that you didn't answer for me. It was the points of CappyD. I also agree that Saddam had to go. The only think is the after effects could have been thought out a little more. This might have caused less deaths in the post war period thats going on. I don't know if anybody remembers this, but Bush was going to cut down greatly in its international peacekeeper role, such as withdrawing most of its forces from Israel, until 9/11.

Theresa · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:20 pm**

Sorry, forgot to quote Dappet. I wasn't directly replying to you.
And yes, Bush did say he was going to recall peacekeeping troops. But as you said, that was before 9/11. An event that just went to prove why such troops are necessary. Remember the USS COLE?
And after every war there is death like this. Especially when a land is occupied. I.e., Germany. I have friends over in Iraq now. One was just home on leave. He said that the people there are glad to see them. The poor people. Who controls the media? The wealthy. Even in such a country as Iraq, even in it's condition. Of course there is going to be violence. For some of them, this is like a jihad. They consider it a spiritual thing, and history has shown time and time again that people are more willing to die for their spiritual beleifs than anything else.

Theresa · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:23 pm**

Additionally, it is a forgone conclusion that the US will never abandon Israel. To do so would be horrifyingly detrimental to us.

Jeremy · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:30 pm**

I know that there will be deaths after a war, but I'm saying that there could maybe have been a bit more thought put into the post war period. It seemed to be a highly sucessful war, but the period after their not particularly sure what to do now, except keep the peace. It seems to be costing Bush his chance of becoming president again, although the lives being lost are far more important. Theres a few each day on the news.

Theresa · **Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:34 pm**

^I agree with that. There should have been more thought to post war Iraq.
I do know that if I don't leave now I'll be late for work,

So I'll respond more at a later time,

Slash_Gordon · **Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:35 am**

Seven of Nine · **Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:44 am**

Isreal's just been voted the most dangerous country in the world in an European poll. Just thought I'd share

Jeremy · **Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:36 am**

davecenter · **Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:41 pm**

Theresa · **Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:01 pm**

^I totally agree. Palestinian terrorists board a bus with children on it, blow it to hell. The Israeli's retaliate against the Palestinian military. Those evil Israelis, persecuting the Palestinians. *And all Arab nations, of course.

Slash_Gordon · **Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:27 am**

davecenter · **Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:39 pm**

Thanks for agreeing T. I just hate that people could do that to children.

Seven of Nine · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:08 am**

I didn't say I thought Isreal was the most dangerous country in the world... although it's certainly a dangerous country to live in. I just posted what was in the paper that day.

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:37 am**

And that's why no one directed their comments towards you. Only the words posted.

Captain Dappet · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:46 am**

I think the U.S.A is the most dangerous country in the world.

If any other nation would have as much weapons as the U.S, they would be running to the U.N and ask them to disarm the nation.

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:04 pm**

Clarify. You think the US under it's own control is most dangerous. But as long as we do as others tell us, then it's ok.
Tell me, were you also scared of the UK? You know, back when the controlled most of continental Europe? Germany? Hell, let's go back to the Romans. Were they bad dudes, too?
Give me one solid, unbiased, fact backed example where the US went to a foreign country, (not talking the Native Americans, because we all know that was wrong, and slavery), but went to a sovreign foreign country and conquered it, making it ours? Tell me when these WMDs that the US posesses were ever used for our, and ours alone, benefit? When have we aimed our nukes at a country and demanded they do as we say, or we will fire?
Did we drop nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Yes. Was it to save only American lives? No. I have had this discussion with you before, and you've made it clear you think otherwise, but the experts involved seriously disagree with you. Experts on both sides.
I know talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, because sadly, at such a young age you refuse to try to consider any other point of view than your own, but my mind can be changed. So prove it.
I've studied World History and American History, so I know what I'm saying. I research situations, read accounts from all different angles. I am openminded. Yes, I'm pro-American. As an American, should I be less? I've admitted that the US is by no means perfect, but we are not nearly as evil as you try to make us out to be.
So, after you take the time to answer the questions posed, if you do, know that I'd prefer that your posts be more factual than rhetoric. You say we are a propoganda fed country, yet I've yet to hear you say one thing that sounds like an original thought for a what, 14 year old?

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:07 pm**

Captain Dappet · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:17 pm**

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:20 pm**

Thank you for proving my point and turning that into a personal attack,

And if you actually pay attention, you'll have seen I've changed my mind about situations here before, but, apparently you do not pay attention.

And, btw, you never answered anything. I take it you fear a loaded gun lying dormant on a table, too.

Captain Dappet · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:22 pm**

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:28 pm**

No, actually it's not. It's an expression. It means talking to a very opinionated person who rarely listens to what others have to say, as they have already formed their own opinion and see no chance that they could be wrong.
That's where we differ. I've said many times to offer solid proof to some of your statements, but you've yet to do that. That's not my problem. I'm making an active effort to understand where you are coming from, but you apparently think, "this is what I think, and I don't care what anyone says". Hence the term "brick wall".

Captain Dappet · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:32 pm**

Its simply that I've been brought up and taught NOT to trust the media.

And I really have no idea where to find these facts online, in order to prove them to you.

Theresa · **Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:37 pm**

I'm having trouble with that last statement... You say alot, which must mean you have a constant source... There must be something you can offer.