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Captain Michael Pike
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 Mon Jun 02, 2003 1:56 pm |
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I realize that Einstein was responsible for more than theoretical physics.
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Valathous
The Canadian, eh
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Location: Centre Bell
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| Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:17 pm |
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HA! thats funny..... you couldnt take Einstein
and trust me i have a sense of humour..... ill show it right now
HAHA!!! YOU THINK YOU COULD BEAT EINSTEIN IN SMARTS!!!
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:37 am |
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Please get back on topic everyone, time travel.
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Dax Orien
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Joined: 24 Aug 2001
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Location: My own little hell.
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| Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:17 am |
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Yes I agree. Personally I want to hear more theories that the characters of the Treks had about this subject.
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stv12
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 16 May 2003
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| Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:14 am |
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I read that that the killing your ansestors thing is called a Grandfather Paradox...I think i get the idea of it...like in one of the books, a old starfleet ship and one of the enterprises keep crashing into each other...again and again...uuntil enterprise blew something...
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Dax Orien
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| Thu Jun 05, 2003 9:02 am |
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Most of those kinds of paradox are just referred to as Temperal Paradox, or just paradox.
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Captain Michael Pike
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| Thu Jun 05, 2003 3:15 pm |
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| stv12 wrote: | | I read that that the killing your ansestors thing is called a Grandfather Paradox...I think i get the idea of it...like in one of the books, a old starfleet ship and one of the enterprises keep crashing into each other...again and again...uuntil enterprise blew something... |
Yes that's the technical name for the paradox....not very imaginative. LOL! The other temporal disturbance you are explaining is called a causality loop.
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stv12
Lieutenant Commander
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| Thu Jun 05, 2003 8:45 pm |
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So that causality loop is something that everyone is aware of? I remeber that show groundhog day or something...is it like that?
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Captain Michael Pike
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| Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:44 pm |
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A temporal causality loop is a disoruption in the time/space continuum in which a localized fragmanet of time os repeated over and over again, ad infinitum. Minor variations are possible in successive iterations of the loop.
It's kind of similar to the Groundhog day idea, except that it lacks that whole "feel good" part where you have to get everything right....
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Qgirl
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Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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Location: Florida
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| Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:51 pm Re: Time Travel |
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| stv12 wrote: | Is time travel to the future possible? and how?
And this i have been pondering on for a long time...
If you travel to the past to kill your grandparents, would you never exist? And if so, who killed your grandparents if you never existed? |
Yes Time travel is possible, The theory of Relativity proves it there is a site I give you that explains it COMPLETLY !! I was not sure about the subject until I read this. Now I am positive about it. I'll have to find it then I'll post it for you. 
And as for travelling in the past to kill you grandparents, that creates a paradox. And travelling in the past has not been proven. Only forward time travel. I wrote a report on this "is time travel possible?", and recieved a 99 (only because I forgot to write a reflections page  )
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Qgirl
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:00 am |
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I found it !!!! 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/think.html
Just go to this and follow along. It explains the speed of light stuff to. It shows that time travel forward is possible. We just can't do it yet. Because we can't move fast enough (yet). 
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Los
Commodore
Joined: 07 Jun 2002
Posts: 1336
Location: Oklahoma fa sho!
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:16 am |
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damn, I'm falling in love with you.
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Lt.BirdGod
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:53 pm |
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As was said (maybe I didn't mention it here, I'm too lazy to check). We don't have the ability. For us to travel to speed of light, we would have to have 0 mass. Light, 0 mass, infinite energy (or so I'm told). For us to move, for every part of mass, there is a part of energy. We would need to have 0 mass and infinite energy to achieve light speed.
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Tyvek
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Posts: 2821
Location: Mississippi, USA
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:02 pm Re: Time Travel |
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| stv12 wrote: | Is time travel to the future possible? and how?
And this i have been pondering on for a long time...
If you travel to the past to kill your grandparents, would you never exist? And if so, who killed your grandparents if you never existed? |
According to the Quantum Machanics Many Worlds Theory, There is a reality for every single possibility that could exist.
So if you were to go kill your grandparents you would cause another reality to exist parallel to the one where your born, where you never existed, BUT there is another reality where you never killed them so you were born.
This can also be used to explain thet there is a reality where the only difference is one less grain of sand is on Earth, But another reality where the is no earth or people!
I suggest you read Michael Crictons TIMELINE it'll explain everything
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Tyvek
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Location: Mississippi, USA
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:26 pm |
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| Lt.BirdGod wrote: | | As was said (maybe I didn't mention it here, I'm too lazy to check). We don't have the ability. For us to travel to speed of light, we would have to have 0 mass. Light, 0 mass, infinite energy (or so I'm told). For us to move, for every part of mass, there is a part of energy. We would need to have 0 mass and infinite energy to achieve light speed. |
OK that is not entirely true,
Einsteins Theory of Relativity proved that nothing could travel faster than light in a vacuum, So FTL (Faster than Light Propulsion) is not possible, according to this theory. No matter the mass or energy(Because the ToR also stated that all matter has infinate energay but limited mass). But there is a solution to this problem. Einsteins Theory also states that matter has a tendency to Warp Time and space, so that Time and Space are both not flat surfaces they are bumpy. So if Humans are able to somehow Warp Time and Space to a degree where they can travel through the time/space warp (FTL) then that FTL is a possiblity, The "Warp" theory also states that if Time and Space is Warped Time Dialation will not occur, meaning that time will pass equally for people at "Warp" and people on other planets.
*Note this is a real theory by real scientist not just Star Trek it is where they got the idea*
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Lt.BirdGod
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:05 pm |
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Oh yeah, I keep up with It, but
1) We disproved the Theory of Relativity, with a newer theory, although, I cannot remember it off of the top of my head. I'll research it later.
2) There is a bend in the space/time. It's gravity. Gravity bends it. I already posted about it, it's midnight, I'm lazy, I'll look for it tomorrow.
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Tyvek
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Joined: 11 Jul 2001
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:14 pm |
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1) We have not disproved the Theory of Relativity, with a newer theory. All major scientist will tell you that.
2) There is a bend in the space/time. It's gravity. Gravity bends it. as I mentioned in my post
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Lt.BirdGod
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Location: Sol System, 3rd planet from the Sun
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| Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:23 pm |
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Meh, It's too late for me to be on here. So, you know, anything past 10 PM can't be really taken for Cannon from me. *passes out*
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starnova
Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1544
Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:24 pm |
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| Tyvek wrote: | | Lt.BirdGod wrote: | | As was said (maybe I didn't mention it here, I'm too lazy to check). We don't have the ability. For us to travel to speed of light, we would have to have 0 mass. Light, 0 mass, infinite energy (or so I'm told). For us to move, for every part of mass, there is a part of energy. We would need to have 0 mass and infinite energy to achieve light speed. |
OK that is not entirely true,
Einsteins Theory of Relativity proved that nothing could travel faster than light in a vacuum, So FTL (Faster than Light Propulsion) is not possible, according to this theory. No matter the mass or energy(Because the ToR also stated that all matter has infinate energay but limited mass). But there is a solution to this problem. Einsteins Theory also states that matter has a tendency to Warp Time and space, so that Time and Space are both not flat surfaces they are bumpy. So if Humans are able to somehow Warp Time and Space to a degree where they can travel through the time/space warp (FTL) then that FTL is a possiblity, The "Warp" theory also states that if Time and Space is Warped Time Dialation will not occur, meaning that time will pass equally for people at "Warp" and people on other planets.
*Note this is a real theory by real scientist not just Star Trek it is where they got the idea* |
thats ture put isnt there a satiltie that is making sure that the theory is a fact? but i hope its a fact
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Birdy
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| Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:27 am |
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Damn!! It really stinks that humans don't grow to be at least 200 years old.. So I could experience timetravel.. Man. It would be my dream come true. 
So, yes, I think it would be possible, but not just now.
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Five - seveN
Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 3567
Location: Shadow Moon
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:01 am |
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| Belanna1985 wrote: | Damn!! It really stinks that humans don't grow to be at least 200 years old.. So I could experience timetravel.. Man. It would be my dream come true.
So, yes, I think it would be possible, but not just now. |
Right 
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starnova
Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1544
Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:21 am |
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but maybe some guy from the future may come.
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EnsignParis
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 07 Sep 2001
Posts: 257
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:08 pm |
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| Lt.BirdGod wrote: | Oh yeah, I keep up with It, but
1) We disproved the Theory of Relativity, with a newer theory, although, I cannot remember it off of the top of my head. I'll research it later.
2) There is a bend in the space/time. It's gravity. Gravity bends it. I already posted about it, it's midnight, I'm lazy, I'll look for it tomorrow. |
We haven't disproved the theory of relativity, but we have modified it to account for antimatter, which was discovered after Einstien had died.
It's e=+/-mc^2
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Hitchhiker
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Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 3514
Location: Ontario, Canada
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:56 pm |
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So basically we said that m can be either positive (matter) or negative (antimatter).
Gravity Probe B will begin conducting experiments to provide proof for Einstein's Theory of Relativity. I'm anxious for results.
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starnova
Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1544
Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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| Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:24 am |
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i hope it is a real theroy
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