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KingMiggs
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 Sat May 04, 2002 10:18 pm Why does the Defiant have cloaking abilities? |
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How come the Defiant has cloaking abilites? I thought because of the Treaty of Algeron, the Federation wasnt supposed to have cloaking technology.
(Edit by Lindley to add "yes" to the poll again, which was strangely removed)
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Lindley
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| Sat May 04, 2002 10:58 pm |
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The Romulans loaned the cloak to the Federation in exchange for intelligence on Dominion movements. ("Visionary")
The agreement only allows use of the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, but Sisko has violated that rule a few times.
In the Defiant's first episode, "The Search", there was a Romulan observer along to run the cloak.
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KingMiggs
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| Sat May 04, 2002 11:01 pm |
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PrankishSmart
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| Sun May 05, 2002 4:41 am |
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| Lindley wrote: | The Romulans loaned the cloak to the Federation in exchange for intelligence on Dominion movements. ("Visionary")
The agreement only allows use of the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, but Sisko has violated that rule a few times.
In the Defiant's first episode, "The Search", there was a Romulan observer along to run the cloak. |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe 
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Thomas
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| Sun May 05, 2002 8:49 am |
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Even though it seems stupid for the Federation to have agreed to the treaty, it was a way of keeping peace with the Romulans, and that's what they wanted.
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Lindley
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| Sun May 05, 2002 9:08 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe |
To quote "The Way of the Warrior":
Bashir: Sir, I hate to bring this up, but our agreement with the Romulans expressly prohibits use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant.
Sisko: You're right, it does. But there are a lot of Klingon ships between us and Dukat, and I intend to make that rendevious in one piece.
Bashir: Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't.
(Sisko winks)
Always loved that scene. 
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parkan
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| Sun May 05, 2002 10:56 am |
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What was the name of the other ship with "cloaking" that got stuck in a planet at soem point?
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Lindley
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| Sun May 05, 2002 11:04 am |
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| parkan wrote: | | What was the name of the other ship with "cloaking" that got stuck in a planet at soem point? |
The Pegasus. I don't know specifics, haven't seen the episode.
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Theresa
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| Sun May 05, 2002 12:05 pm |
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Personally, I think it was kind of stupid to sign that treaty. The UFP had already stolen a cloaking device, and they were just as advanced as the Romulans, and certainly the Klingon's, and in no time would have developed a cloak of their own. But by signing the treaty, it shut down all endeavors along this path. i.e.: Even though the Pegasus, TNG, was a failure, the theory it was built upon was sound, and could very well have been made, but the UFP tied their own hands.
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parkan
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| Sun May 05, 2002 3:47 pm |
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Right, Pegasus. I belive its cloaking rechnology was in fact much more advanced than that of Romulans
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KingMiggs
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| Sun May 05, 2002 5:49 pm |
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THe Pegasus was the ship commanded by Admiral Pressman. The ship was awesome in the way that it had phase-cloaking. The device would allow a ship not only to cloak, but to pass through matter. Its ashamed that the federation abanoned the project. It could have rally given the an edge in the wars against the the Dominion.
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parkan
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| Sun May 05, 2002 7:17 pm |
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| KingMiggs wrote: | | THe Pegasus was the ship commanded by Admiral Pressman. The ship was awesome in the way that it had phase-cloaking. The device would allow a ship not only to cloak, but to pass through matter. Its ashamed that the federation abanoned the project. It could have rally given the an edge in the wars against the the Dominion. |
Well, the ship's generators malfunctioned while it was inside a planet or an asteroid as far as I know, so it rematerialized inside solid matter....  In reality it would cause some rather nasty interaction between the planet and the ship, most likely annihilating both. It was still a failure though.
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KingMiggs
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| Sun May 05, 2002 7:34 pm |
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Yeah, even though it was experimental, with some time and effort, the Federation could haved used it as a helpful weapon.
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Commander Ranahan
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| Wed May 08, 2002 10:15 am |
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Cloaking Is a unstable Occruance in Warp Drive, It can Be dettacted by that
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Tyvek
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| Wed May 08, 2002 8:43 pm |
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Actuall these are part of a joke but I feel that they apply to this conversation. 9 reasons why the Federation does not use cloaking devices,
Test vessels keep disappearing and are never seen again.
Head of Starfleet has Bugblatter Beast Syndrome and thinks that if the enemy can't see us, we can't see them.
Insurance company won't cover accidents involving two cloaked ships colliding into each other.
Afraid it would make it too easy for Kirk to steal another ship out of the docking bay.
It wouldn't help anyway, Q would still find them.
Don't want anyone to find out what _*really*_ happened to Pulaski.
External shots of the ship would be extremely dull.
Don't want to admit that for once, Klingons had a really good idea.
Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach can't find the model they made of the cloaked Enterprise.
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Chinesetrekkie
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| Fri May 10, 2002 9:03 pm |
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| Lindley wrote: | The Romulans loaned the cloak to the Federation in exchange for intelligence on Dominion movements. ("Visionary")
The agreement only allows use of the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, but Sisko has violated that rule a few times.
In the Defiant's first episode, "The Search", there was a Romulan observer along to run the cloak. |
yeah, i remember, they were able to let cloak in that one ship.
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Captain Leah Manzer
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| Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:46 am |
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| Lindley wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe |
To quote "The Way of the Warrior":
Bashir: Sir, I hate to bring this up, but our agreement with the Romulans expressly prohibits use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant.
Sisko: You're right, it does. But there are a lot of Klingon ships between us and Dukat, and I intend to make that rendevious in one piece.
Bashir: Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't.
(Sisko winks)
Always loved that scene. |
LOL That is a really funny scene!!! 
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Curtis
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| Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:44 pm |
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| Lindley wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe |
To quote "The Way of the Warrior":
Bashir: Sir, I hate to bring this up, but our agreement with the Romulans expressly prohibits use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant.
Sisko: You're right, it does. But there are a lot of Klingon ships between us and Dukat, and I intend to make that rendevious in one piece.
Bashir: Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't.
(Sisko winks)
Always loved that scene. |
lol, sounds neato.
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chakotay1
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| Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:05 am |
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they probally have cloak becaue they used it to sneak out of enemy space
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headhunter
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| Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:22 am |
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The Romulans loaned the cloak to the Federation in exchange for intelligence on Dominion movements. ("Visionary")
The agreement only allows use of the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, but Sisko has violated that rule a few times.
In the Defiant's first episode, "The Search", there was a Romulan observer along to run the cloak.
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Bugger Boy
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| Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:03 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | Lindley wrote: | The Romulans loaned the cloak to the Federation in exchange for intelligence on Dominion movements. ("Visionary")
The agreement only allows use of the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, but Sisko has violated that rule a few times.
In the Defiant's first episode, "The Search", there was a Romulan observer along to run the cloak. |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe |
HAHAHA good point!
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| Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:11 pm |
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the romulans gave it to them
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thegame
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| Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:38 am |
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Just remember that the new Defiant, formally the USS Sao Paulo, has no cloak.
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Paul Marshall
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:22 am |
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I think that they should have signed the Treaty. Universal peace is what the Federation wants to gain.
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Starfleet #327
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| Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:41 am |
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| Lindley wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
I supose Sisko can use the cloak anywhere he wants and violate that rule because who is gonna find out hes cloaked, hehehehe |
To quote "The Way of the Warrior":
Bashir: Sir, I hate to bring this up, but our agreement with the Romulans expressly prohibits use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant.
Sisko: You're right, it does. But there are a lot of Klingon ships between us and Dukat, and I intend to make that rendevious in one piece.
Bashir: Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't.
(Sisko winks)
Always loved that scene. |
Lol. Yeah, That was a Good one.
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