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CaptJD
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Location: Canada!
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 Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:01 pm |
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I agreed with your statement about future upgraded Voyager vs regular Defiant twice already so continuing to argue that is a moot point.
I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible.
Besides that fact, why would these ships be battling at all.
I guess it comes down to when someone is posting a thread like this we need my specifics about a "possible" or not possible but fun to debate scenario but with more specifics.
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Cange
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Posts: 148
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:44 pm |
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lol yeah maybey we should start a debate about a Galaxy class and a 25th centuryrunabout now 
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milan
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Posts: 263
Location: Romania
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:48 am |
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| CaptJD wrote: |
I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
You do realize this sounded ridiculous. Especially after you attract attention about what belongs and what doesn't to a certain thread. This thread compares ships, made of bulkheads, circuits, engines, whatnot. If you wish to talk about serving time, then start a thread with that title.
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Cange
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:38 pm |
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| Quote: | | You do realize this sounded ridiculous. Especially after you attract attention about what belongs and what doesn't to a certain thread. This thread compares ships, made of bulkheads, circuits, engines, whatnot. If you wish to talk about serving time, then start a thread with that title. |
see CaptJD its a desperate cause
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milan
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
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Location: Romania
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:51 am |
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Like against the Borg: resistance is futile! 
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Cange
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Joined: 30 Jul 2009
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:53 pm |
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yes but you dont understand that for me victory is life
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CaptJD
Disyple
Joined: 16 Sep 2003
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Location: Canada!
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:18 pm |
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Either way I'm tired of running in circles. this is like the anti-janeway thread a couple years ago. Well and all subsequent ship vs ship debates
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milan
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Posts: 263
Location: Romania
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| Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:37 am |
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I accept your unconditional surrender.
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Cange
Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
Posts: 148
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| Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:43 pm |
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lol actualy there is no surrender to you,we just decided to ignore your comment
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CaptJD
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Location: Canada!
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| Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:43 pm |
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Exactly, no surrender but debating with someone that fails to see any point of view but their own is not a debate but simply a waste of time. I have conceded on certain point and made other valid ones in there place but all you continue to do is state that actual relevant points don't matter and then you restate the same tired old points you put into every post.
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Valathous
The Canadian, eh
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:25 am |
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| CaptJD wrote: | | Exactly, no surrender but debating with someone that fails to see any point of view but their own is not a debate but simply a waste of time. I have conceded on certain point and made other valid ones in there place but all you continue to do is state that actual relevant points don't matter and then you restate the same tired old points you put into every post. |
Oh, how I've missed you,  
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Cange
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Joined: 30 Jul 2009
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:39 am |
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hey this is out topice but Valathous you from montreal?
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milan
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Posts: 263
Location: Romania
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:59 pm |
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| CaptJD wrote: | | Exactly, no surrender but debating with someone that fails to see any point of view but their own is not a debate but simply a waste of time. I have conceded on certain point and made other valid ones in there place but all you continue to do is state that actual relevant points don't matter and then you restate the same tired old points you put into every post. |
I re-state them because no one can defeat them. ANd re-stating at me happens quite seldom, usually only when I tell it to some other guy from out of the original debate, or because the debating partner seemed not to take it into consideration. There are certain rules a constructive debate follows. Plus I usually try to answer all valid arguments, what I don't answer I consider weak arguments, quite see-through, unworthy of the debate. But if you consider them valid, please feel free to remind me of them and I will counter them accordingly.
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CaptJD
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:02 pm |
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| Valathous wrote: | | CaptJD wrote: | | Exactly, no surrender but debating with someone that fails to see any point of view but their own is not a debate but simply a waste of time. I have conceded on certain point and made other valid ones in there place but all you continue to do is state that actual relevant points don't matter and then you restate the same tired old points you put into every post. |
Oh, how I've missed you, |
I miss our tag team debates against Janeway and all that she stood for.
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Founder
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| Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 pm |
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| CaptJD wrote: | | I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
It's the only way VOY fanboys can win this debate. A Defiant-class fighting an Intrepid-class in a battle would easily win.
So to counter, they use the VOY that has future technology. 
Although, I did ask earlier what battle would be fought exactly. Science? Warfare? Best crew? etc.
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Cange
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| Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:04 pm |
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yeah voyager would be better to transport stuff lol
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milan
Lieutenant Commander
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Location: Romania
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| Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:47 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | CaptJD wrote: | | I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
It's the only way VOY fanboys can win this debate. A Defiant-class fighting an Intrepid-class in a battle would easily win.
So to counter, they use the VOY that has future technology.
Although, I did ask earlier what battle would be fought exactly. Science? Warfare? Best crew? etc. |
And your claim that it is somehow "unfair" to keep that future technology in mind is the only way DS9 fanboys can win this debate. Only VOY fanboys are not as narrow-minded as to keep on repeating "ooooh, I know my ship would win otherwise, I know my ship would win otherwise!" They just state the facts: this one wins in this situation, that one in the other. We leave the whining to you. Fanboy 
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Founder
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| Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:10 pm |
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| milan wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | CaptJD wrote: | | I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
It's the only way VOY fanboys can win this debate. A Defiant-class fighting an Intrepid-class in a battle would easily win.
So to counter, they use the VOY that has future technology.
Although, I did ask earlier what battle would be fought exactly. Science? Warfare? Best crew? etc. |
And your claim that it is somehow "unfair" to keep that future technology in mind is the only way DS9 fanboys can win this debate. Only VOY fanboys are not as narrow-minded as to keep on repeating "ooooh, I know my ship would win otherwise, I know my ship would win otherwise!" They just state the facts: this one wins in this situation, that one in the other. We leave the whining to you. Fanboy |
Wrong. We're debating if a Defiant-class can beat an Intrepid-class or vice-versa. The topic does not say VOY from Endgame vs. Defiant-class now does it? Thus, we're not being "narrow-minded" or whatever nonsense. We're debating the topic at hand.
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CaptJD
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| Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:30 pm |
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Actually we're debating if a defiant class could defeat voyager from no specified time period throughout the show. I commented based on the assumption that we would use the version of voyager that appeared most often through the series. Where milan seems to think it should be the one from the last five minutes. Which to me makes no sense, as we have no knowledge of the technology we would simply make up the specifications, seeing as there are no canon ones. Either way he continues to call me a DS9 fanboy which I am not. In actual fact I just like to argue . Especially against someone I know won't budge no matter how valid the oposing position may be and how weak their platform becomes. My foresight leads me to believe milan will say something along the lines of his platform is not crumbling, in actual fact it is ours that is weak, and that we have said nothing to disprove his arguments. When clearly a valid argument has been made he just fails to see it.
*edited for spelling*
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milan
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
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Location: Romania
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:15 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | milan wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | CaptJD wrote: | | I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
It's the only way VOY fanboys can win this debate. A Defiant-class fighting an Intrepid-class in a battle would easily win.
So to counter, they use the VOY that has future technology.
Although, I did ask earlier what battle would be fought exactly. Science? Warfare? Best crew? etc. |
And your claim that it is somehow "unfair" to keep that future technology in mind is the only way DS9 fanboys can win this debate. Only VOY fanboys are not as narrow-minded as to keep on repeating "ooooh, I know my ship would win otherwise, I know my ship would win otherwise!" They just state the facts: this one wins in this situation, that one in the other. We leave the whining to you. Fanboy |
Wrong. We're debating if a Defiant-class can beat an Intrepid-class or vice-versa. The topic does not say VOY from Endgame vs. Defiant-class now does it? Thus, we're not being "narrow-minded" or whatever nonsense. We're debating the topic at hand. |
Wrong. We're debating Voyager versus Defiant. There's no classes and restrictions in the title of the thread, my desperate fanboy.
Same to JD. Resistance is futile, and you know it!
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Founder
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| Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:17 pm |
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| milan wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | milan wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | CaptJD wrote: | | I just fail to see how the version of Voyager that appeared for the last 20mins of a 7 season run is admissible. |
It's the only way VOY fanboys can win this debate. A Defiant-class fighting an Intrepid-class in a battle would easily win.
So to counter, they use the VOY that has future technology.
Although, I did ask earlier what battle would be fought exactly. Science? Warfare? Best crew? etc. |
And your claim that it is somehow "unfair" to keep that future technology in mind is the only way DS9 fanboys can win this debate. Only VOY fanboys are not as narrow-minded as to keep on repeating "ooooh, I know my ship would win otherwise, I know my ship would win otherwise!" They just state the facts: this one wins in this situation, that one in the other. We leave the whining to you. Fanboy |
Wrong. We're debating if a Defiant-class can beat an Intrepid-class or vice-versa. The topic does not say VOY from Endgame vs. Defiant-class now does it? Thus, we're not being "narrow-minded" or whatever nonsense. We're debating the topic at hand. |
Wrong. We're debating Voyager versus Defiant. There's no classes and restrictions in the title of the thread, my desperate fanboy.
Same to JD. Resistance is futile, and you know it! |
The topic says "Defiant vs. Voyager..which would win". Wrong. I didn't say there was a restriction. Go ahead and bring up future-VOY. The point is, it doesn't really correlate to the topic at hand.
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TrystanClarke91191
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| Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:01 am |
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| Cange wrote: | | Voyager is commanded by a Women so there is no way it can win againts the defiante |
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Captain Digness
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| Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:49 pm |
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Defiant. Quantum torpedoes, cloak, maeuverability, a sweet captain. What does voyager have?
............................A hot borg thats it
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Captain Digness
Commander
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| Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:50 pm |
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| TrystanClarke91191 wrote: | | Cange wrote: | | Voyager is commanded by a Women so there is no way it can win againts the defiante |
Sexest Pig |
It is actually spelled sexist
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milan
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Location: Romania
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| Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:17 pm |
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Oh look, the lil English teacher can spell.  Too bad he cannot read or he'd know we were far beyond his point in the debate.
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