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StarfleetCommand74656
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 Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:03 pm Little problem in 'Insurrection' |
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In the opening scene a lieutenant says to Data, a commander, that something was a direct order. How can a lieut. order a commander around?
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Mulder
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| Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:09 pm Re: Little problem in 'Insurrection' |
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| StarfleetCommand74656 wrote: | | In the opening scene a lieutenant says to Data, a commander, that something was a direct order. How can a lieut. order a commander around? |
Maybe the lieutenant was relaying an order from an higher officer
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startrekgirltng
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| Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:13 pm |
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wasn't it an order from Starfleet Command? I haven't seen the movie in a while, but I'm am pretty sure that all of the orders/missions (except for The Enterprise's one) we all given by starfleet command.
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Voyager2004
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| Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:00 pm |
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Or a Lieutenant can order a commander around by what is called "positional authority." When you have that kind of authority it doesn't matter your rank.
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startrekgirltng
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| Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:39 pm |
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | Or a Lieutenant can order a commander around by what is called "positional authority." When you have that kind of authority it doesn't matter your rank. |
Yes, that's true, because he was one of the top people, and Data was there just to collect data.
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lifeguide
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| Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:47 pm |
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You are both correct.
It is like a member of say the Australian sas being seconded by your delta forces.
That Australian SAS member is brought into the Delta Force unit and is therefore under the units commander even though the SAS officer may outrank him.
On some missions where there are cia/military personnell working together the leader of the group may not necessarily be the military officer or he may only be the decisionmaker for the military part of the mission.
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PhoenixIreland
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:09 pm |
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The problem with Insurrection (and Nemesis) was that they were made at all 
A planet of aliens identical to humans who don't age threatened by a species of aliens identical to humans but with stretchy faces (with the Federations help) who turn out to be the same species
(and were expected to believe that the Utopian UFP they thought us was oozing with morals approved this?)
All scripts, records DVDs, videos, traces of Insurrection, Nemesis and the Final Frontier should be put in a rocket and fired into the sun, never spoken of again.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:18 pm |
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Rank doesn't have much to do with it, when it comes down to who is in charge, that person most likely had some sort of position of authority, either in command, or one of those in command.
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robbiewebster
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| Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:32 pm |
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| PhoenixIreland wrote: | The problem with Insurrection (and Nemesis) was that they were made at all
A planet of aliens identical to humans who don't age threatened by a species of aliens identical to humans but with stretchy faces (with the Federations help) who turn out to be the same species
(and were expected to believe that the Utopian UFP they thought us was oozing with morals approved this?)
All scripts, records DVDs, videos, traces of Insurrection, Nemesis and the Final Frontier should be put in a rocket and fired into the sun, never spoken of again. |
Don't hate 
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PhoenixIreland
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| Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:58 pm |
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| robbiewebster wrote: | | PhoenixIreland wrote: | The problem with Insurrection (and Nemesis) was that they were made at all
A planet of aliens identical to humans who don't age threatened by a species of aliens identical to humans but with stretchy faces (with the Federations help) who turn out to be the same species
(and were expected to believe that the Utopian UFP they thought us was oozing with morals approved this?)
All scripts, records DVDs, videos, traces of Insurrection, Nemesis and the Final Frontier should be put in a rocket and fired into the sun, never spoken of again. |
Don't hate |
I've plenty of good things to say about the series, those last two abominations are not among them  and I fear the next one will be another
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startrekgirltng
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| Fri May 30, 2008 7:48 pm |
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| PhoenixIreland wrote: | | robbiewebster wrote: | | PhoenixIreland wrote: | The problem with Insurrection (and Nemesis) was that they were made at all
A planet of aliens identical to humans who don't age threatened by a species of aliens identical to humans but with stretchy faces (with the Federations help) who turn out to be the same species
(and were expected to believe that the Utopian UFP they thought us was oozing with morals approved this?)
All scripts, records DVDs, videos, traces of Insurrection, Nemesis and the Final Frontier should be put in a rocket and fired into the sun, never spoken of again. |
Don't hate |
I've plenty of good things to say about the series, those last two abominations are not among them and I fear the next one will be another |
Fear the future of ST movies.... I am defiantly going to be wary about the next movie, especially after the last one. Come on, why can't they make a Voyager or DS9 movie?
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Cosiris
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| Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:01 pm Who |
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The order was a general order to be observed by all the researchers participating in the "duck blind" kind of like the STNG episode "Who Watches the Watchers?" 
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Zimmerman's Hollogram
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| Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:14 pm |
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| PhoenixIreland wrote: | The problem with Insurrection (and Nemesis) was that they were made at all
A planet of aliens identical to humans who don't age threatened by a species of aliens identical to humans but with stretchy faces (with the Federations help) who turn out to be the same species
(and were expected to believe that the Utopian UFP they thought us was oozing with morals approved this?)
All scripts, records DVDs, videos, traces of Insurrection, Nemesis and the Final Frontier should be put in a rocket and fired into the sun, never spoken of again. |
Insurrection, I thought, was a very good movie. Still, in response to what you just said about the Federation's morals, etc: If I recall correctly, there was a very misguided, high ranking man behind the cooperation, and it was unofficial in nature.
As for Nemesis: the only thing that got me irritated was the fact they killed off Data. Don't give me crap about B-4 either, because he still wouldn't be Data, even if he got all the memories and experiences of him.
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