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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:01 pm |
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That is correct. (and your way is so much easier than my way!)
lol my much more challenging approach goes like this.
You set up a differential equation:
dy/dt=kty
dy=kydt
integral (1/y)dy=integral of (k)dt
ln(abs(y))=kt+C
e^ln(abs(y))= ln^kt+ ln^C
abs(y)=Ce^kt
plugging in values for this problem:
1/2=e^5730k
ln(.5)= 5730k
k= about -.000121
y=Ce^-0.000121t
y=10e^(-0.000121 * 2000)
y= 7.851
and 7.851 grams is the answer!
Your way is slightly less accurate but nontheless closs enough to be considered correct and deffinitly much faster and easier.
btw abs=absolute value
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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:23 pm |
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So no one but me likes to give questions?
f"(x)= x^2+3cosx when f(1)1 and f'(1)=5
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:11 pm |
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I'm assuming you want f(x)? Here's what I got:
f(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - 3/4
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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:44 pm |
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That is close but not all the way correct (and yes I was asking so..and that should be F(1)=1)
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:06 pm |
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That should be right...I just double checked it. What was your answer?
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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:43 pm |
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I checked with my CAS so I know I'm right
f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1 + C
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:39 pm |
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But if f(1)=1 and f'(1)=5 you should be able to solve for c.
Where did you get the extra sines and cosines? And 3cos1 = 3 and 3sin1 = 0 so that last part would be 25/6 + 3 + 0 + c
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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:47 pm |
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haha sorry the C shouldn't be there...reflex
f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 +3sinx + C
since f'(1) = 5
f'(1) = (1/3) 1^3 +3sin1 + C = 5
C= 5- (1/3) - 3sin1 = 14/3 -3sin1
Therefore
f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 + 3sinx + 14/3 - 3sin1
F(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x + C
f(1) = 1 and so,
f(1) = (1/2) - 3cos1 + (14/3) - 3sin1 + C = 1
C= 1- (1/2) - (14/3) + 3cos1 + 3sin1 = -25/6 + 3cos1 +3sin1
f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:00 pm |
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Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x.
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:50 pm |
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Great, now they think they can put 3 in 1.
i'm sorry, inside joke.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:20 pm |
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I llike math.
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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:48 am |
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TrekkieMage wrote: | Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x. |
nope...I cheated and used a question from a math test that I have the solutions to...my CAS (Computer Algebra System) gives the same answer...just to tripple check I brought the problem to another professor. In short what I provided is correct.
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:24 am |
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But both 3sin1 and (3sin1)x are 0. So the final equation can certainly be simplified - does the CAS just ignore it? I guess I just don't understand what this CAS is...
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Sevensquare Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 35
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:00 pm |
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if your thinking in radians sin(1)=.8415 and cos(1)=.5403
everything else is perfect
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:48 am |
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Just for kicks:
What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to?
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:45 pm converg |
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you are saying lim x -> n (2^n/3^n+1) this is 0.
It is the same as ((2/3)^n) * (1/3) Any fraction that is powered goes to 0
I've got a good one for the audience.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:55 pm Random chords |
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If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle)
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:32 pm Expostulate |
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There are three possible answers as explained in the book. There is also a fourth answer that is also correct. Anyone who wants to try.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:25 am Description |
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I should be posting some images to provide some idea about the answer. The first solution is the simplest and the other two a little more detailed. The fourth I discovered after some meditation but they all make sense.
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Oliver Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 6096 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:15 pm Re: Random chords |
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Manitou wrote: | If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle) |
I think it's 2/3.
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Oliver Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 6096 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:20 pm |
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TrekkieMage wrote: | Just for kicks:
What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to? |
The demoninator is always larger than the nominator so the answer is zero.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:14 pm First answer |
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The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles.
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Oliver Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 6096 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:04 am |
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Manitou wrote: | The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles. |
Yes I understand, but the question was a probability question.
The chance that a random chord is greater than the radius, is 4/6 or 2/3. When the chord starts in a corner of the hexagon, it can end in any one of the six triangles. If it ends up in 4, its length is larger than the radius. So it's 4/6.
Am I right or did I over see something?
Last edited by Oliver on Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:05 am; edited 2 times in total
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Oliver Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 6096 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:04 am Re: First answer |
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sorry, double post
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:22 pm |
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Yes but if the chord passing through the circle is longer than any of the sides of the equilateral triangle its mid-pt sits somewhere on the height of the triangle, which would be =< then sq. rt. 3 divided by 2. If the chord is less than the radius it's mid-pt would sit somewhere of what's left after sq.rt. 3 divided by two.
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