Friendly Star Trek Discussions Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:56 am  
  SearchSearch   FAQFAQ   Log inLog in   
Quizing math & physics
View: previous topic :: next topic

stv-archives.com Forum Index -> Star Trek Tech This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.   This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.
Author Message
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostThu Sep 14, 2006 9:01 pm    

That is correct. (and your way is so much easier than my way!)
lol my much more challenging approach goes like this.
You set up a differential equation:
dy/dt=kty
dy=kydt
integral (1/y)dy=integral of (k)dt
ln(abs(y))=kt+C
e^ln(abs(y))= ln^kt+ ln^C
abs(y)=Ce^kt
plugging in values for this problem:
1/2=e^5730k
ln(.5)= 5730k
k= about -.000121
y=Ce^-0.000121t
y=10e^(-0.000121 * 2000)
y= 7.851
and 7.851 grams is the answer!

Your way is slightly less accurate but nontheless closs enough to be considered correct and deffinitly much faster and easier.

btw abs=absolute value


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostTue Dec 12, 2006 4:23 pm    

So no one but me likes to give questions?

f"(x)= x^2+3cosx when f(1)1 and f'(1)=5


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostTue Dec 12, 2006 6:11 pm    

I'm assuming you want f(x)? Here's what I got:

f(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - 3/4


View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostTue Dec 12, 2006 8:44 pm    

That is close but not all the way correct (and yes I was asking so..and that should be F(1)=1)

View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostTue Dec 12, 2006 9:06 pm    

That should be right...I just double checked it. What was your answer?

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostWed Dec 13, 2006 1:43 pm    

I checked with my CAS so I know I'm right

f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1 + C


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostWed Dec 13, 2006 2:39 pm    

But if f(1)=1 and f'(1)=5 you should be able to solve for c.

Where did you get the extra sines and cosines? And 3cos1 = 3 and 3sin1 = 0 so that last part would be 25/6 + 3 + 0 + c


View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostSun Dec 17, 2006 10:47 pm    

haha sorry the C shouldn't be there...reflex

f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 +3sinx + C

since f'(1) = 5

f'(1) = (1/3) 1^3 +3sin1 + C = 5

C= 5- (1/3) - 3sin1 = 14/3 -3sin1

Therefore

f'(x) = (1/3)x^3 + 3sinx + 14/3 - 3sin1

F(x) = (1/12)x^4 - 3cosx + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x + C

f(1) = 1 and so,

f(1) = (1/2) - 3cos1 + (14/3) - 3sin1 + C = 1

C= 1- (1/2) - (14/3) + 3cos1 + 3sin1 = -25/6 + 3cos1 +3sin1

f(x)= (1/12)x^4 - 3cos(x) + (14/3)x - (3sin1)x - 25/6 +3cos1 +3sin1


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostMon Dec 18, 2006 2:00 pm    

Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x.

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
lionhead
Rear Admiral


Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 4020
Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)

PostMon Dec 18, 2006 3:50 pm    

Great, now they think they can put 3 in 1.


i'm sorry, inside joke.



-------signature-------

Never explain comedy or satire or the ironic comment. Those who get it, get it. Those who don't, never will. -Michael Moore

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Defiant
Fleet Admiral


Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR

PostMon Dec 18, 2006 7:20 pm    

I llike math.

View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger 
Reply with quote Back to top
5thhouse
Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 3842
Location: Santa Barbara, California

PostFri Dec 29, 2006 1:48 am    

TrekkieMage wrote:
Ah, but you made a mistake. 3sin1 is a constant, not a variable, it becomes (some number) multiplied by x.


nope...I cheated and used a question from a math test that I have the solutions to...my CAS (Computer Algebra System) gives the same answer...just to tripple check I brought the problem to another professor. In short what I provided is correct.


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostSun Dec 31, 2006 12:24 am    

But both 3sin1 and (3sin1)x are 0. So the final equation can certainly be simplified - does the CAS just ignore it? I guess I just don't understand what this CAS is...

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
Sevensquare
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 35

PostTue Jan 09, 2007 2:00 pm    

if your thinking in radians sin(1)=.8415 and cos(1)=.5403
everything else is perfect


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail  
Reply with quote Back to top
TrekkieMage
Office Junkie


Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding

PostThu Nov 15, 2007 12:48 am    

Just for kicks:

What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to?


View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostTue Dec 04, 2007 8:45 pm    converg

you are saying lim x -> n (2^n/3^n+1) this is 0.
It is the same as ((2/3)^n) * (1/3) Any fraction that is powered goes to 0
I've got a good one for the audience.


View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostTue Dec 04, 2007 9:55 pm    Random chords

If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle)

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostSat Dec 22, 2007 1:32 pm    Expostulate

There are three possible answers as explained in the book. There is also a fourth answer that is also correct. Anyone who wants to try.

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostTue Jan 08, 2008 8:25 am    Description

I should be posting some images to provide some idea about the answer. The first solution is the simplest and the other two a little more detailed. The fourth I discovered after some meditation but they all make sense.

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Oliver
Thought Maker


Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 6096
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

PostTue Jan 15, 2008 3:15 pm    Re: Random chords

Manitou wrote:
If a chord is created at random on a fixed circle, what is the probability that its length exceeds the radius. (a chord is what happens when a line goes through a circle)


I think it's 2/3.


View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Oliver
Thought Maker


Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 6096
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

PostTue Jan 15, 2008 3:20 pm    

TrekkieMage wrote:
Just for kicks:

What does {(2^n)/(3^(n+1))} converge to?


The demoninator is always larger than the nominator so the answer is zero.


View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostSat Jan 19, 2008 9:14 pm    First answer

The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles.

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Oliver
Thought Maker


Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 6096
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

PostFri Feb 01, 2008 4:04 am    

Manitou wrote:
The first answer is given by a hexagon inscribed on the circumferance of the circle since each side is equal to r. The line from the mid-point of one side to the center (in relation to r) is sq. rt. of 3 divided by 2. This is also the height of one of the equilateral triangles.


Yes I understand, but the question was a probability question.
The chance that a random chord is greater than the radius, is 4/6 or 2/3. When the chord starts in a corner of the hexagon, it can end in any one of the six triangles. If it ends up in 4, its length is larger than the radius. So it's 4/6.

Am I right or did I over see something?


Last edited by Oliver on Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:05 am; edited 2 times in total


View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Oliver
Thought Maker


Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 6096
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

PostFri Feb 01, 2008 4:04 am    Re: First answer

sorry, double post

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Manitou
Ensign, Junior Grade


Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 43
Location: michigan, bob

PostSat Feb 16, 2008 9:22 pm    

Yes but if the chord passing through the circle is longer than any of the sides of the equilateral triangle its mid-pt sits somewhere on the height of the triangle, which would be =< then sq. rt. 3 divided by 2. If the chord is less than the radius it's mid-pt would sit somewhere of what's left after sq.rt. 3 divided by two.

View user's profile Send private message  
Reply with quote Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Goto Page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 20, 21, 22, 23  Next
This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.   This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.



Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
Star Trek �, in all its various forms, are trademarks & copyrights of Paramount Pictures
This site has no official connection with Star Trek or Paramount Pictures
Site content/Site design elements owned by Morphy and is meant to only be an archive/Tribute to STV.com