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CJ Cregg
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- Washington Post reports Mary Cheney, 37, due in late spring
- Cheney is openly gay, and she and her partner are "ecstatic," paper reports
- VP Cheney's daughter Elizabeth had her fifth child in July
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:55 pm |
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Wow. This is...shocking. I don't know quite what to make of it. Good for Mary Cheney, though.
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teya
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| Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:17 pm |
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Why is it "shocking"?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:39 pm |
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| teya wrote: | | Why is it "shocking"? |
Because it's the vice-president's daughter, and she's going to give birth to her baby and the granddaughter of the vice-president is going to have two moms is why it's shocking. I don't mean anything offensive by that - I really like Mary Cheney. The concept is just shocking, that's all.
Again, good for her, though.
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webtaz99
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And some people still wonder why the terrorists hate us..... 
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Birdy
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:51 am |
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Wow, so cool! Congrats to her, I hope all things go well for her and her family.
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WeAz
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:11 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | teya wrote: | | Why is it "shocking"? |
Because it's the vice-president's daughter, and she's going to give birth to her baby and the granddaughter of the vice-president is going to have two moms is why it's shocking. I don't mean anything offensive by that - I really like Mary Cheney. The concept is just shocking, that's all.
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It's just so shocking when someone is gay?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:18 pm |
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Oh please, we all know that's not what he was saying. Let's try to keep things in context and use a little common sense.
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teya
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:25 pm |
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^ Well, call me stupid, but I don't know what he is saying.
I see nothing shocking about it, and I still don't know why anyone would.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:28 pm |
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Well, it seemed obvious to me that he meant that it's shocking due to VP Cheney's stance on homosexuality. Especially since he said "good for her" twice, 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:44 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Well, it seemed obvious to me that he meant that it's shocking due to VP Cheney's stance on homosexuality. Especially since he said "good for her" twice, |
That, the fact that he's in an administration with opposition to homosexual marriage and so forth, and the fact that this is the daughter of the vice-president. Not that she's gay, for I've known she was a lesbian all along, but those things. It's just shocking is all. Nothing more.
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Starbuck
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:45 pm |
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Good for her! There are some FAAAAAAR Right (I didn't know such a place existed) whackos that are like ... condemning the child and calling her a monster. Sites are springing up all over the web. Its troubling.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:49 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | Good for her! There are some FAAAAAAR Right (I didn't know such a place existed) whackos that are like ... condemning the child and calling her a monster. Sites are springing up all over the web. Its troubling. |
That is troubling. I may find moral disagreements with what she's doing and may not be partial to the idea of a child being raised by two mothers or two fathers, but I wouldn't go that far in the least. I am sure that her child will grow up pretty well in the Cheney family.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:04 pm |
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The only thing I find troubling is that people take so much time out of their day to condemn someone only because they are unfortunate enough to be in the media's eye. :/
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WeAz
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| Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:06 pm |
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I'm honestly surprised that Dick Cheney hasn't publicly opposed this, or said he will not support them.
Maybe this can show to people that a child with two mothers can grow up just fine.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:18 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | | I'm honestly surprised that Dick Cheney hasn't publicly opposed this, or said he will not support them. |
You're surprised he's not going on the attack against his daughter!? Isn't that a little much?
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WeAz
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| Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:11 am |
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Publicly Yes
Privately, No.
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magenta
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| Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:54 am |
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Well I expect people wont like this!I am not against gay people.I have a few gay friends.BUT I believe a child needs a father and a mother 'figure' in their lives.
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Hitchhiker
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| magenta wrote: | Well I expect people wont like this!I am not against gay people.I have a few gay friends.BUT I believe a child needs a father and a mother 'figure' in their lives.
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So what about single parents?
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magenta
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kids doing 'ok' with one parent is not 'ok' to me.My parents split up when I was 9.My mother moved 1 and a half hours away from my dad.I went down for 'access' visits once a month.
I dont think back on my childhood with the thought that I did O.K.!My life would have been a lot better if I had regular contact with my dad.
No another woman as a substitute dad or second 'mum' would not be just ok.A child needs a man and a woman as parents,my opinion based on my own direct experience!
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teya
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:21 am |
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My aunt was widowed at the age of 32. Her husband died of a brain tumor. She had 2 children, ages 3 and 4 months.
Her kids grew up without a father. Yet, they survived and thrived. Why? Because there were other men in their lives--uncles, grandfathers--who acted as male figures.
Parental figures are--of necessity, sometimes--not only the biological parents. This is the advantage to extended families. There's no reason to assume that a child of gay parents will not have loving adults of the opposite gender to provide that balance.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:50 pm |
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| teya wrote: | | Her kids grew up without a father. Yet, they survived and thrived. Why? Because there were other men in their lives--uncles, grandfathers--who acted as male figures. |
That is one thing that has made me accept the idea of homosexual couples as parents. If the children have other persons in their lives that can accomodate for the lack of a parent of the opposite sex, it can work out. That's why, though, I think that in order for a homosexual couple to adopt children it should be required that they have someone of the opposite sex who can act as a parental figure for the opposite sex of the parental couple.
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TrekkieMage
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:45 pm |
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How on Earth do you require something like that? It isn't as if just because someon is homosexual they cut themselves off entirely from the opposite sex. I can't think of anyone I know who is gay and doesn't have someone they consider close to them that is of the opposite sex.
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WeAz
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:36 pm |
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My neighbor's are lesbians, and they have a son. (Adopted from overseas). Because of their sexuality, their families cut themselves off. The kid is in my classes, and is one of the brightest people in the school. He didn't have a single male figure while growing up.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:08 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | How on Earth do you require something like that? It isn't as if just because someon is homosexual they cut themselves off entirely from the opposite sex. I can't think of anyone I know who is gay and doesn't have someone they consider close to them that is of the opposite sex. |
Then it should be easy for them to meet that requirement, shouldn't it? 
| WeAz wrote: | | My neighbor's are lesbians, and they have a son. (Adopted from overseas). Because of their sexuality, their families cut themselves off. The kid is in my classes, and is one of the brightest people in the school. He didn't have a single male figure while growing up. |
Okay, so he's bright. But that doesn't mean that he's necessarily got that balance. Only a male figure can give him that.
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