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IntrepidIsMe
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 Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:07 am Peace on earth? Not in our subdivision! |
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| CNN wrote: | | DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- A homeowners' association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan. |
Source (CNN): http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/peace.wreath.ap/index.html
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:23 am |
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What the hell? That's going to far. Way to far, so now one cannot dispay something on their own house? *sighs*
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:27 am |
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I saw the word "subdivision" and Colorado immediately clicked in my mind, lol.
Seriously, I agree. This is going too far.
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Founder
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:29 am |
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Christmas sucks now. It was great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, Athiests did not complain about how a plastic Santa Clause in front of other people's lawns was a symbol of Christian imperialism.
Now, in this case, it's more of a political issue rather then a religious one, but still. I can kind of understand why they're mad since they're kids are in Iraq, but still. The person said the wreath is not about the war. They didn't even give the person the benefit of the doubt.
Unless what people display is grossly offensive, why won't people shut the hell up? She put up a Christmas wreath for goodness sakes.
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:33 am |
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Yeah, really. How the hell is that offensive? It's not like this is the first year that "peace on earth" has been said in relation to Christmas. Man....
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:40 am |
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Hell, ask anyone fighting the war if they want peace on Earth. Of course they do!
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:43 am |
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| ILoveHarry wrote: | | Hell, ask anyone fighting the war if they want peace on Earth. Of course they do! |
True. Now ask anyone fighting the war - a war to protect our freedoms - if they want someone to be told that they can't put up a freakin' Christmas wreath! Of course they don't! Is that what they're fighting for - fining someone for putting up a gosh darn wreath? I think not!
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:43 am |
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Right, we get that, the point is, this whole argument of Anti war or what ever is offensive in it self, because people have siad peace on earth during the holidays for years.
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Puck
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:46 am |
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| Quote: | � Association president Bob Kearns says some residents think it's Satanic symbol
� Kearns fired 5 committee members when they refused to ban wreath |
Sounds like this is simply the result of one man who doesn't have a sure grip on reality.
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Valathous
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:49 am |
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| Founder wrote: | Christmas sucks now. It was great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, Athiests did not complain about how a plastic Santa Clause in front of other people's lawns was a symbol of Christian imperialism.
Now, in this case, it's more of a political issue rather then a religious one, but still. I can kind of understand why they're mad since they're kids are in Iraq, but still. The person said the wreath is not about the war. They didn't even give the person the benefit of the doubt.
Unless what people display is grossly offensive, why won't people shut the hell up? She put up a Christmas wreath for goodness sakes. |
I'm an Atheist and I have Santa's all over my house, 
Anyways, this is just plain stupidity. It's a wreath. It's not even a sign, it's just a decorative piece on a door. People are going crazy these days and need to calm down. I think some people are just looking to create controversy to get into the news...
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Lord Borg
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| Puck wrote: | | Quote: | � Association president Bob Kearns says some residents think it's Satanic symbol
� Kearns fired 5 committee members when they refused to ban wreath |
Sounds like this is simply the result of one man who doesn't have a sure grip on reality. |
This is all pretty disturbing. It sounds like if you disagree with him, you get fired. I don't get how it can be "Satanic"
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:53 am |
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| Valathous wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Christmas sucks now. It was great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, Athiests did not complain about how a plastic Santa Clause in front of other people's lawns was a symbol of Christian imperialism.
Now, in this case, it's more of a political issue rather then a religious one, but still. I can kind of understand why they're mad since they're kids are in Iraq, but still. The person said the wreath is not about the war. They didn't even give the person the benefit of the doubt.
Unless what people display is grossly offensive, why won't people shut the hell up? She put up a Christmas wreath for goodness sakes. |
I'm an Atheist and I have Santa's all over my house,
Anyways, this is just plain stupidity. It's a wreath. It's not even a sign, it's just a decorative piece on a door. People are going crazy these days and need to calm down. I think some people are just looking to create controversy to get into the news... |
Nice, I have Santa over here to! You might be right about getting on the news thing, that kinda makes sense. It's pretty stupid though, calling it a problem.
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Founder
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:01 am |
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| Valathous wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Christmas sucks now. It was great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, Athiests did not complain about how a plastic Santa Clause in front of other people's lawns was a symbol of Christian imperialism.
Now, in this case, it's more of a political issue rather then a religious one, but still. I can kind of understand why they're mad since they're kids are in Iraq, but still. The person said the wreath is not about the war. They didn't even give the person the benefit of the doubt.
Unless what people display is grossly offensive, why won't people shut the hell up? She put up a Christmas wreath for goodness sakes. |
I'm an Atheist and I have Santa's all over my house,
Anyways, this is just plain stupidity. It's a wreath. It's not even a sign, it's just a decorative piece on a door. People are going crazy these days and need to calm down. I think some people are just looking to create controversy to get into the news... |
Then you represent hope that the future might not be as crazy as it might seem! 
As for that guy...he should be arrested. Didn't he unlawfully fire those people?
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:03 am |
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During Halloween there was a family that had to take down they're decorations b/c they were scarey. SHEESH! Hell, even if these people WERE displaying something anti-war or demonic... it's their right... Crosses are allowed, flags are allowed, pumpkins are allowed... what's next? "Sorry... but your daffodils offend me. You see, they're from Holland... and I think Holland is anti-American b/c of..." whatever. You get the point, yes?
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:04 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Valathous wrote: | | Founder wrote: | Christmas sucks now. It was great when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, Athiests did not complain about how a plastic Santa Clause in front of other people's lawns was a symbol of Christian imperialism.
Now, in this case, it's more of a political issue rather then a religious one, but still. I can kind of understand why they're mad since they're kids are in Iraq, but still. The person said the wreath is not about the war. They didn't even give the person the benefit of the doubt.
Unless what people display is grossly offensive, why won't people shut the hell up? She put up a Christmas wreath for goodness sakes. |
I'm an Atheist and I have Santa's all over my house,
Anyways, this is just plain stupidity. It's a wreath. It's not even a sign, it's just a decorative piece on a door. People are going crazy these days and need to calm down. I think some people are just looking to create controversy to get into the news... |
Then you represent hope that the future might not be as crazy as it might seem! |
Actually, 90% of America celebrates Christmas, and 80% is Christian (this according to stats). A large portion of athiests celebrate Christmas. It's really just a minor sect of that group - as well as people of faith as well - that are gung-ho secularist and trying to push out the holiday and so forth. Yet that minority is a powerful one.
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:08 am |
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Many Jews celebrate it these days as well. It's really a holiday for everyone these days. Granted, I'm not saying it's not a Christian holiday anymore...
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:09 am |
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| ILoveHarry wrote: | | Many Jews celebrate it these days as well. It's really a holiday for everyone these days. Granted, I'm not saying it's not a Christian holiday anymore... |
Oh, no, you're right. It's a Christian holiday, but it's celebrated clearly by a whole host of people. That's what makes the issues and debate surrounding it so ridiculous.
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:14 am |
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I think this whole thing is idiodic. It's a fricking wreath for crying out loud.
Some people need to get a perspective on the world o.O
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:15 am |
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I know. I wasn't saying that Athiests are to blame for anything. I know that everyone always complains about Christmas because they don't like the othe guy's stuff on their lawn. My point is that this needs to end. Why is Christmas such an argumentative holiday now?
In this topic, it's clearly ridiculous what these people are doing. After the person said it's not anti-war, they still want the wreath down?
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:15 am |
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Yeah, if your offended, you can call it something else, fine. However, NO ONE has any right to tell ME what I can call the holiday, and what I can and can not hang on my door for the holidays.
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WeAz
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:30 am |
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What a stupid thing to ban....how the hell is a peace sign a 'demonic' symbol?
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ILoveHarry
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:32 am |
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Some people think a peace sign is a broken, upside down cross.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:36 pm |
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Good Denver Post commentary on this subject: http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_4730076
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WeAz
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:51 pm |
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| Quote: | | Perhaps they'll outlaw nativity scenes. You know, those three wise men were from Persia, known today as Iran. Who knows what really is in those camel bags? Frankincense, myrrh and gold? Or weapons of mass destruction? |
Excellent quote. We should all send some cash to help them pay this unjust fine.
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