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Republican_Man
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | Quote: | Giuliani takes step toward '08 bid
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, a moderate Republican best known for his stewardship of the city after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid, GOP officials said Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani2008 |
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Excellent news! Whoo! Go Rudy!
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Founder
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:48 pm |
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This is some interesting stuff. It seems like several moderates are coming forward. I'm glad. We need some moderates in the White House.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:52 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | This is some interesting stuff. It seems like several moderates are coming forward. I'm glad. We need some moderates in the White House. |
 We have one. His name is George W. Bush  He's what we real conservatives would call a faux-conservative. Maybe he's not a moderate, but he's not a conservative either.
I don't care about him being moderate or conservative so much as I want a good, decent, somewhat conservative man in office. A man like Guiliani.
Guiliani for President!
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WeAz
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:40 pm |
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I've been reading about Guiliani, and seems like a good choice. Pretty Liberal Socially, and slightly right fiscally. But not too far.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:43 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | I've been reading about Guiliani, and seems like a good choice. Pretty Liberal Socially, and slightly right fiscally. But not too far. |
Wow. I think we've actually  pretty much reached an agreement on a candidate! My God. What is this world coming to!!!
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WeAz
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:46 pm |
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Yeah. I am surprised. I'll have to look him up a little more. But he definitely looks like the Moderate that we haven't had for 6 years.
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It was Bush, not Clinton, who ignored the warning signs for 9/11.
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teya
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:54 pm |
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^ And he was a horrible mayor and treated his wife like crap.
Now, granted, what happened in his personal life shouldn't be an issue. But when your wife finds out you're getting a divorce by watching an interview on TV, well, you've made it public.
As far as tough on terror, well... he can talk a good game. But he's never really been in a position to prove himself there.
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teya
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:58 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | I don't care about him being moderate or conservative so much as I want a good, decent, somewhat conservative man in office. A man like Guiliani.
Guiliani for President! |
Please define "good" and "decent."
Is it good and decent to have a public extra-marital affair, and then announce to the city that you're getting divorced before telling your wife?
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TrekkieMage
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:14 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | This is some interesting stuff. It seems like several moderates are coming forward. I'm glad. We need some moderates in the White House. |
We have one. His name is George W. Bush He's what we real conservatives would call a faux-conservative. Maybe he's not a moderate, but he's not a conservative either.
I don't care about him being moderate or conservative so much as I want a good, decent, somewhat conservative man in office. A man like Guiliani.
Guiliani for President! |
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Define "moderate".
If George W. Bush is a true moderate, I'm afraid to think of what a Conservative is.
Guiliani rubs me the wrong way...I worry that he'll take advanage of 9/11 to an excess if he runs. People need to look past that and actually look at his track record.
For the record, I aplaud how he handled 9/11, I just don't think that it should define his ability to run a country.
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WeAz
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:23 pm |
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It does show that he can perform well in a crisis situation.
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TrekkieMage
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:26 pm |
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But not everything is a crisis situation. There's a lot of long term strategy that goes into running a country.
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teya
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:28 pm |
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^ Unfortunately, his day to day management of the city was dismal. The middle class ended up fleeing Manhattan--myself included.
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WeAz
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:30 pm |
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| teya wrote: |
Is it good and decent to have a public extra-marital affair, and then announce to the city that you're getting divorced before telling your wife? |
Not defending him here, but his personal life shouldn't affect how he governs.
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Puck
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:46 pm |
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Guiliani is way too liberal to ever get my vote. There would need to be some major changes of opinion on his part before I would even think of voting for him.
And although his personal life is seperate from government, it still is a great indicator of how he handles things. It gives us insight into how responsible, trustworthy, loyal, etc. he is.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:12 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | This is some interesting stuff. It seems like several moderates are coming forward. I'm glad. We need some moderates in the White House. |
We have one. His name is George W. Bush He's what we real conservatives would call a faux-conservative. Maybe he's not a moderate, but he's not a conservative either.
I don't care about him being moderate or conservative so much as I want a good, decent, somewhat conservative man in office. A man like Guiliani.
Guiliani for President! |
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Define "moderate".
If George W. Bush is a true moderate, I'm afraid to think of what a Conservative is. |
Just look at his records on spending, illegal immigration, and medicare, for starters. I wouldn't necessarily call him a moderate, as I kinda said in my post, but he's not a conservative either.
As for Guiliani, I know he's got some skeletons in his closet, so to speak, and has a not-so-good record, to say the least, on personal issues, but that was in the past, and otherwise, I think he'd be a great president. Not that the past can just be shut aside, but still. I'm looking to the future here, and in terms of what this country needs, I think Guiliani's the right man for the job.
I fully support him, as do both my parents - and I'm a diehard conservative.
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teya
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:46 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | teya wrote: |
Is it good and decent to have a public extra-marital affair, and then announce to the city that you're getting divorced before telling your wife? |
Not defending him here, but his personal life shouldn't affect how he governs. |
Normally, I'd agree with you, but by telling the city he was getting a divorce *on the news* before telling her... Well, he made it a public issue.
He used his position as mayor to inflict cruelty on his wife. I don't see that as a quality I'd like in a president.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:49 pm |
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| teya wrote: | | He used his position as mayor to inflict cruelty on his wife. I don't see that as a quality I'd like in a president. |
I don't know what his intentions were, but I don't think you can say that his intent was to inflict cruelty on his wife.
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CJ Cregg
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:55 pm |
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I think if your husband told the city of new york about a divorce, before you. That is extremely cruel.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:00 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | I think if your husband told the city of new york about a divorce, before you. That is extremely cruel. |
It is certainly cruel, yes, but not necessarily done with mal intent.
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Puck
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:12 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | CJ Cregg wrote: | | I think if your husband told the city of new york about a divorce, before you. That is extremely cruel. |
It is certainly cruel, yes, but not necessarily done with mal intent. |
What does that show you about his judgement then if he could not realize the cruelty of this? Either way, this would seem to expose a character flaw. Of course, I'm sure you'll find one in just about every candidate, so how much you want to read into this is up to you.
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:16 am |
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A certain amount of character flaw is going to exist. No one is perfect. However, this particular flaw (I think) is just not acceptable for someone in pubic office.
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WeAz
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| Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:53 am |
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We know he'd make a great FEMA director.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:15 pm |
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| Quote: | McCain, Former Secretary Thompson to Form Presidential Exploratory Groups
WASHINGTON � Republican Sen. John McCain will file paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday to create a presidential exploratory committee, his aides said Wednesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229740,00.html |
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| Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:00 pm |
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| Quote: | Santorum Will Not Run for President
Even though he lost his Senate race in a landslide last week, some conservatives hoped Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) would run for president in 2008. But the Philadelphia Inquirer reports it's not in the senator's plans.
Said Santorum: "Absolutely, positively not. Absolutely not. My wife would throw me out of the house if I do anything in '08." |
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CJ Cregg
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| Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:49 am |
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| Quote: | Kansas Republican eyes presidential bid
Sen. Sam Brownback, who is considering a White House bid in 2008, said Monday the Republican field has room for a "full-scale Ronald Reagan conservative" and pledged to make a final decision next month.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_el_pr/brownback2008 |
I hope he wins the domination, will make it easier for the democrats!
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