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Should Mel Gibson be forgiven?
Yes, he should, and I have forgiven him.
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Yes, he should, but I'm not going to forgive him myself.
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No, he shouldn't.
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I am unsure.
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CJ Cregg
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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 5:56 pm    

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He was drunk. I've never been drunk, or ever drank, for that matter, but from what I understand of it, people often say things they don't mean when they're drunk, and this may very well have been one of those incidents. Doesn't mean there's anything hidden deep inside him.


True. When your drunk you arnt in full control. You say things you dont mean and then when you are sober you either cant remember or its really vague.

Thats mu experience anyway


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 5:56 pm    

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I don't hold no grudges against him. I forgive him cause life too short to be unforgivening to everyone.



I will have to agree with Leo on this. Yeah he may have made a mistake. Yes, he may awe an apology. Life is too short to hold grudges and to have hate just because people disagree with him on what he did. I pretty much wouldn't worry what he does or says, cause he will have to pay for his sins sooner or later. It is not up to us to judge him. Yeah people may be mad I am sure. It doesn't excuse him, but holding on to anger and not forgivening, isn't like me. So, I will forgive him. He just need not to continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 6:38 pm    

Maybe you could understand my POV if we put it this way...

If a well-known actor and director were stopped for driving drunk, and started going off on the arresting officer saying that Christians were to blame for all the wars throughout history, and that he hated Christians, would you be inclined to buy a ticket to his next film without question?

After all, he didn't really mean it. And bigotry is really no big deal, right?


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 6:47 pm    

I may very well do it, depending on the actor and film. I'd be far less inclined to forgive those in Hollywood that do much the same thing while sober, though. But I still see Hollywood films, despite the fact that almost all of them involve anti-Christian directors and ators.

Yes, I acknowledge the differences between the two instances (sober and not sober, what they say, etc), but if an actor honestly apologized and had been shown to pretty much not be anti-Christian in the past, yes, I'd forgive him.



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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 6:55 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
Yes, I acknowledge the differences between the two instances (sober and not sober, what they say, etc), but if an actor honestly apologized and had been shown to pretty much not be anti-Christian in the past, yes, I'd forgive him.


There's the rub.

Mel Gibson was raised in a splinter sect of Catholicsm that blames all Jews throughout history for the death of Christ--rather anti-Semitic doctrine. He still practices as a member of that sect.

So there is evidence there that he *is* anti-Semitic.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 6:58 pm    

Mel is human just like the rest of us. So don't expect him to perfect. Humans are bound to fall and make mistakes.and say things that we may regret later.

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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 7:04 pm    

teya wrote:
Republican_Man wrote:
Yes, I acknowledge the differences between the two instances (sober and not sober, what they say, etc), but if an actor honestly apologized and had been shown to pretty much not be anti-Christian in the past, yes, I'd forgive him.


There's the rub.

Mel Gibson was raised in a splinter sect of Catholicsm that blames all Jews throughout history for the death of Christ--rather anti-Semitic doctrine. He still practices as a member of that sect.

So there is evidence there that he *is* anti-Semitic.


I don't know much about the sect your talking about, but just because he chooses to be at a church that practices the older stuff (Latin, etc) doesn't mean that he's anti-semetic.

I'll state my agreement with that general sentiment here and now. I won't state that the Jews blanketly killed him, but those who killed him were Jewish. A minority of the Jews, yes, but that is the case. And a large minority, it seems, at that. So he would not be incorrect in blaming Jews for the death of Christ. I do it myself, though I do not place that sin upon most of the Jews of that time or any Jews now. I just aknowledge that Jews were responsible for his death.

So with that basic agreement with what you say his particular church believes in, I can't say that he is anti-semetic, especially considering I am not anti-semetic at all. There's nothing that you can say that will convince me that Mel is anti-semetic, because I firmly believe that he is not.



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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 7:17 pm    

^ You misunderstand. There's no doubt that some Jews *of the time* were involved.

Traditionalist Catholics believe in the pre-Vatican 2 doctrine that *all* Jews, even those born today, are responsible.

That's like saying that every white person today is responsible for slavery. We aren't--and I'm not responsible for Jesus's death either.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 7:34 pm    

Well, consider this. Traditional Catholics have a number of differences from post-Vatican II Catholics, among them this Jewish one. Considering a number of factors, I'd personally give him the benefit of the doubt. He may be a traditional Catholic, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he agrees with the Jewish aspect of it. He could believe in a whole range of other issues that the modern Catholic church does not follow and believe in that far outnumber what he agrees with the modern church on--and that doesn't necessarily include the Jewish part. Just because he's a traditional Catholic doesn't mean he's anti-Semetic. He could just believe in more traditional Catholic ideas than modern Catholic ideas.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 8:03 pm    

teya wrote:
Maybe you could understand my POV if we put it this way...

If a well-known actor and director were stopped for driving drunk, and started going off on the arresting officer saying that Christians were to blame for all the wars throughout history, and that he hated Christians, would you be inclined to buy a ticket to his next film without question?

After all, he didn't really mean it. And bigotry is really no big deal, right?


No one said bigotry isn't a big deal, but in regards to your question, I'd forgive the person if they said they were sorry and even said they would work with Christians to fix his/her "problem" with my religion.

I understand you're upset about it and it is not really a secret that Mel was raised anti-semetic, but he needs help. Jews can't prove his point by telling him to sod off and leave them alone. Prove him wrong by reaching out and getting him out of his anti-semetism.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 8:09 pm    

Founder wrote:
teya wrote:
Maybe you could understand my POV if we put it this way...

If a well-known actor and director were stopped for driving drunk, and started going off on the arresting officer saying that Christians were to blame for all the wars throughout history, and that he hated Christians, would you be inclined to buy a ticket to his next film without question?

After all, he didn't really mean it. And bigotry is really no big deal, right?


No one said bigotry isn't a big deal, but in regards to your question, I'd forgive the person if they said they were sorry and even said they would work with Christians to fix his/her "problem" with my religion.

I understand you're upset about it and it is not really a secret that Mel was raised anti-semetic, but he needs help. Jews can't prove his point by telling him to sod off and leave them alone. Prove him wrong by reaching out and getting him out of his anti-semetism.


I agree, he has apologized and ask for forgivness, people are only being what they want to avoid, by acting this way to him. His remarks have caught up to him, to say the least.


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 8:09 pm    

Well said, Founder. He already said he was going to try to think about his words and seek help in fighting both his alcohol addiction and his potential problem regarding his anti-Semetic comments. That says something about him, does it not?


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PostWed Sep 06, 2006 10:53 pm    

I'll tell ya what... I'll see what he has to say on Yom Kippur. He's asked a local synagogue if he can speak before the congregation on the Day of Atonement. Since that's also the day, according to Jewish tradition, that we forgive debts and insults, if he's sincere (i.e. doesn't have a million excuses for his behavior), I'll go see "Apocapalypto" when it opens.

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PostThu Sep 07, 2006 12:45 am    

The Traditionalist Catholics (the group Mel Gibson belongs to) are not the same as Roman Catholics who may be seen as more 'traditional'. Traditionalist Catholics are a schismatic group in most all cases, and are not in communion with Rome.

Just wanted to make sure that was clarified
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PostThu Sep 07, 2006 12:50 am    

I read the Wikipedia article on traditional Catholics, Kev. That's more than understood, at least by me The clarification is important, though, but I would definitely consider Mel Gibson a Catholic, even if he's not in-league with Rome.

And good, teya. I didn't know he was going to do that. Tell me what you find out, will you?



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PostThu Sep 07, 2006 12:58 am    

Republican_Man wrote:
I read the Wikipedia article on traditional Catholics, Kev. That's more than understood, at least by me The clarification is important, though, but I would definitely consider Mel Gibson a Catholic, even if he's not in-league with Rome.


You can consider him what you may. It is a fact though that he is part of a schismatic group, and is a fact he is not Roman Catholic.


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