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		| Puck The Texan
 
 
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:51 am    Iraqi Interior Ministry estimates 1,000 killed in one week |  
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				|  	  | Quote: |  	  | Iraqi Interior Ministry estimates 1,000 killed in one week POSTED: 9:24 a.m. EST, February 4, 2007
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 � NEW: Death toll in Iraq Sunday attacks rises to 14
 � NEW: U.S. says ground fire apparently downed four U.S. helicopters recently
 � Iraqi Interior Ministry estimates 1,000 people killed in past week
 � Massive truck bomb in Baghdad market Saturday killed at least 128
 
 
 BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Iraqi Interior Ministry estimates that about 1,000 people have been killed throughout Iraq in the past week due to gunbattles, drive-by shootings and bomb attacks, a ministry official said Sunday.
 
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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:23 pm |  
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				| We really did liberate these people from violence..  
 
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		| Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:30 pm |  
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				| Actually, we liberated them from tyranny.  What they do with their freedom is up to them.  And considering they've never really experienced freedom before?  They're not doing too badly.  (remembering elections, etc...) 
 
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		| Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:48 pm |  
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				| Right, Theresa. We have to keep in mind, too, that this isn't the United States. Our transition to Democracy went a lot more smoothly than this, but that's because our history was different. We can't expect the same response from the Iraqis that we did. 
 
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		| Founder Dominion Leader
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:00 pm |  
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				| I don't think American transition went too smoothly either...   
 The majority of these people are being killed by their "countrymen", not Americans. So they have only the terrorists to thank for this mess.
 
 
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		| Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:41 pm |  
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				|  	  | Founder wrote: |  	  | I don't think American transition went too smoothly either...   | 
 
 I'm talking after the Revolutionary War, which did go quite smoothly.
 
 
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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:34 pm |  
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				| I think they're having both their civil and revolutionary war right now. 
 
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		| Founder Dominion Leader
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:23 pm |  
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				|  	  | Republican_Man wrote: |  	  |  	  | Founder wrote: |  	  | I don't think American transition went too smoothly either...   | 
 
 I'm talking after the Revolutionary War, which did go quite smoothly.
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 If you call a Civil War "smoothly", then yeah.
 
 
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		| Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:45 pm |  
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				| I'm talking even before the Civil War. Like, the Confederation and the early Constitutional Republic. 1780s through 1820s. 
 
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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:56 pm |  
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				| 1780-1810. War of 1812? 
 And the Iraqis still haven't gotten out of their revolutionary war. It just became a civil war.
 
 
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		| TrekkieMage Office Junkie
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:02 pm |  
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				| And tarring and feathering people, slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, and fights between immigrants in cities was smooth? 
 I think that Iraq is going to get worse before it gets better...I just hope that things get better *soon*.
 
 
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		| Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
 
  
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				|  Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:05 pm |  
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				|  	  | WeAz wrote: |  	  | 1780-1810. War of 1812? 
 And the Iraqis still haven't gotten out of their revolutionary war. It just became a civil war.
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 1812 involved the British attacking after our government had been established successfully.
 
 There was no Iraqi Revolutionary War in the American sense. That would be when we invaded. Now we're seeing the post-war violence, not a civil war.
 
 
  	  | TrekkieMage wrote: |  	  | And tarring and feathering people, slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, and fights between immigrants in cities was smooth? 
 I think that Iraq is going to get worse before it gets better...I just hope that things get better *soon*.
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 As far as the transition and so forth is concerned, and compared to Iraq, yes. We didn't have the situation like we do in Iraq, and that stemmed from a different history.
 
 
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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:20 pm |  
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				| That incredibly naive. Post-War violence is what we saw in Germany after WW2. Pockets of radical SS troops. Iraq is beyond that stage. It has advance to civil war. Mostly because Iraqi's are fighting each other now, not just our troops. 	  | Quote: |  	  | There was no Iraqi Revolutionary War in the American sense. That would be when we invaded. Now we're seeing the post-war violence, not a civil war. | 
 
 
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