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PostTue Feb 24, 2004 12:30 pm    Warp speed help

Hey I've always thoght that warp 9 is 9 ime s the speed of light is this correct?


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PostTue Feb 24, 2004 1:01 pm    

As I understand it, when you move up one warp factor (e.g. from warp one to warp two) you have increased your speed to ten times what it was before. Like the Richter Scale...


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PostWed Feb 25, 2004 12:06 am    

^ yeah, it's exponential. so warp 9 is the speed of light x 10^9

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PostWed Feb 25, 2004 2:15 pm    

Ooooooooooh very mathmatical!

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PostWed Feb 25, 2004 3:15 pm    

well warp 9.975 is roughly 4billion MPS according to voyager

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PostWed Feb 25, 2004 6:21 pm    

yeah, well once you get past warp 9, it gets exponential by a tenth of a warp factor... or... something. I don't remember, theres this whole chart in the Voyager tech manual that explains it all/ of course that thing is really outdated because it still says warp 10 is unachievable

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PostThu Feb 26, 2004 5:53 pm    

Alright i just got some new info. Its Warp 1=1 times the speed of light. Warp 2=10 warp 3=39 and so on.


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PostThu Feb 26, 2004 8:10 pm    

There's a bit in the Star trek Encyclopeadea that has a table that was warp speed compared to speed in KPH. It's near the back. I'll try and get a page number for you.


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PostThu Feb 26, 2004 10:46 pm    

If its not to much could you please tell me how many kph warp nine is cuz sad to say I don't have the encyclopedi. Anyways where do you get it from?


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PostFri Feb 27, 2004 5:01 am    

yeah i dont have the encyclopedia either! so where did u get it?

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PostSun Feb 29, 2004 1:08 am    

[moved from gen. trek to star trek tech. pertained to specific detail of star trek machinations. jad.]


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PostSun Feb 29, 2004 1:10 am    

I got my copy of the Star Trek Encyclopedia from a used book store. However, since it's an older version, it only includes up to DS9--no Voyager or Enterprise entries. Since I bought it to research for a fanfic based around the time/setting of DS9, suits me fine.


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PostSun Feb 29, 2004 1:22 pm    

I've seen the encyclopedias at regular book stores like Borders and Barnes and Noble. I have a Voyager technical manuel and a Voyager writers bible that I ordered from some magazine. they're helpful for Voyager because like Dax said, theres no entries for Voyager in the Trek Encyclopedia. The Voy tech manuel has a nice big chart of warp distances etc too

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PostTue Mar 16, 2004 2:42 pm    

In VOYAGER, Caretaker, it was stated that it would take 70 years to travel 70,000 light years at warp 9.

In ENTERPRISE, it would take the Enterprise NX01 six months to travel 50 light years at warp 5.

Information from startrek.com dictated that warp speed is computed geometrically until warp 9 and exponentially at warp 9.1, 9.2 etc

Using these statistics, I came up with the following scale

WARP 1 = speed of light
WARP 2 = 2 x 80 x speed of light
WARP 3 = 3 x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9 = 9 x 80 x speed of light.
WARP 9.1 = (9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
WARP 9.2 = (9 + 2) x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9.9 = (9 + 9) x 80 x speed of light

WARP 9.91 = (9 + 9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9.991 = (9 + 9 + 9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
etc.

This way, Warp 10 can be denoted as infinite velocity

WARP (9.99999 ........) = (9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + ..........) infinity


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PostFri Mar 19, 2004 10:09 pm    

http://www.ditl.org/scitech/datwarpscales.htm


Warp - Factor Equals (xc)
1- 1
2- 10
3- 39
4- 102
5- 214
6- 392
7- 656
8- 1,024
9- 1,516
9.1- 1,573
9.2- 1,649
9.3- 1,693
9.4- 1,757
9.5- 1,828
9.6- 1,909
9.7- 2,044
9.8- 2,304
9.9- 3,053
9.95- 4,183
9.975- 5,552
9.99- 7,912
9.995- 10,553
9.999- 25,567
9.9999- 199,516

Warp 8 is modernly (TNG/Voyager) the cruising speed of a starship, so an estimate of 75 years for a 75,000 ly journey isn't far off at all.

EDIT again: Also remember that Enterprise is still running on the TOS scale of warp, where the speed is the warp factor cubed, so warp 5 is 125xc. TNG and further on use the TNG scale of warp, which is more complicated, but it's all on that page.


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PostSun Mar 28, 2004 2:44 pm    

this should help




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PostSun Mar 28, 2004 10:31 pm    

I don't know how it could be the speed of light...Of course Star Wars is a different thing, but both our Galaxy and the Dutronic Galaxy (the name of the Star Wars Galaxy) are roughly the same size, and in Star Wars lightspeed is the speed of light and you can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other within 48 hours in it...You can't do that with Star Trek, even at Warp 9...Hmmm...
A good thought to puzzel...



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PostSun Mar 28, 2004 10:38 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
I don't know how it could be the speed of light...Of course Star Wars is a different thing, but both our Galaxy and the Dutronic Galaxy (the name of the Star Wars Galaxy) are roughly the same size, and in Star Wars lightspeed is the speed of light and you can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other within 48 hours in it...You can't do that with Star Trek, even at Warp 9...Hmmm...
A good thought to puzzel...


Please note that Star Trek uses subspace, while Star Wars uses hyperspace. Biiiiiiiiig difference.



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PostWed Mar 31, 2004 6:34 am    

Warp 1=97,761,600,000
Warp 2=984,459,312,000
Warp 3=3,806,934,465,600
Warp 4=9,931,600,944,000
Warp 5=20,896,542,000,000
Warp 6=38,371,428,000,000
Warp 7=64,144,318,608,000
Warp 8=100,107,878,400,000
Warp 9=148,245,690,240,000
Warp 9.2=161,208,878,400,000
Warp 9.6=186,626,894,400,000
Warp 9.9=298,466,164,800,000
Warp 9.99=773,489,779,200,000
Warp 9.9999=19,505,003,385,600,000



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PostThu Apr 01, 2004 12:08 am    

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Please note that Star Trek uses subspace, while Star Wars uses hyperspace. Biiiiiiiiig difference.


That is a good point. Therefore, one can conclude that Star Wars' lightspeed is definitely WAY faster than Star Trek's Warp Speed



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PostSun Apr 11, 2004 8:04 pm    

But remember.. there are two scales of warp speed..

The scales and speeds you have shown here so far is the modern TNG scale, that is used in TNG, DS9, VOY and movies (7-10)..

The other scale called Cochrane used in the Original Series and movies 1-6 is working with this scale:

(warpspeed = x lightspeed)

1 = 1
2 = 8
3 = 27
4 = 64
5 = 125
6 = 216
7 = 343
8 = 512
9 = 729
10 = 1,000
11 = 1,331
12 = 1,728
13 = 2,197
14 = 2,744

So when Kirk says warp 7 in the old movies, that is much much slower than warp 7 in TNG or later... that means when the old Enterprise 1701 travels at warp 6, that speed is equialent with for example Voyagers warp 5. The biggest difference is that the Cochrane scale dosen't finish at warp 10. It is accelerating with a more constant speed than the TNG scale does. The TNG scale accelrate it's speed terrible fast between warp 9 - 10. That's because warp 10 is the threshold for warp speed on the TNG scale and means infinite speed.


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PostMon May 24, 2004 2:13 pm    

In the 2:nd serie of Star Trek: Voyager, the episode Threshold, Tom Paris crosses the Transwarp threshold (which means warp 10,) and goes everywhere in space, home, the Borgs etc. later he stops at Voyager, and transforms into something weird... (ain't telling so much more...)
Warp 10 means infinite velocity, you ARE everywhere... so an really fast warp-engine is probably 9.99999999 (kinda fast...) but 10 is BEYOND everything...


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