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Captain Digness Commander
Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 418
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Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:30 pm Warp speed help |
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Hey I've always thoght that warp 9 is 9 ime s the speed of light is this correct?
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Thomas Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 19730 Location: Manchester
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Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:01 pm |
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As I understand it, when you move up one warp factor (e.g. from warp one to warp two) you have increased your speed to ten times what it was before. Like the Richter Scale...
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Sam Kenobi Not a Duke
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 10373 Location: The 'Verse
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Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:06 am |
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^ yeah, it's exponential. so warp 9 is the speed of light x 10^9
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1/1 Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 3311 Location: La La Land
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Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:15 pm |
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Ooooooooooh very mathmatical!
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:15 pm |
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well warp 9.975 is roughly 4billion MPS according to voyager
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Sam Kenobi Not a Duke
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 10373 Location: The 'Verse
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Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:21 pm |
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yeah, well once you get past warp 9, it gets exponential by a tenth of a warp factor... or... something. I don't remember, theres this whole chart in the Voyager tech manual that explains it all/ of course that thing is really outdated because it still says warp 10 is unachievable
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Captain Digness Commander
Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 418
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:53 pm |
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Alright i just got some new info. Its Warp 1=1 times the speed of light. Warp 2=10 warp 3=39 and so on.
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Tiberius Lieutenant
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Posts: 140
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:10 pm |
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There's a bit in the Star trek Encyclopeadea that has a table that was warp speed compared to speed in KPH. It's near the back. I'll try and get a page number for you.
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Captain Digness Commander
Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 418
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:46 pm |
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If its not to much could you please tell me how many kph warp nine is cuz sad to say I don't have the encyclopedi. Anyways where do you get it from?
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:01 am |
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yeah i dont have the encyclopedia either! so where did u get it?
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Jadzia Lenara Dax Garbage Queen
Joined: 17 Oct 2001 Posts: 5761 Location: Sunnydale, California
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:08 am |
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[moved from gen. trek to star trek tech. pertained to specific detail of star trek machinations. jad.]
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Jadzia Lenara Dax Garbage Queen
Joined: 17 Oct 2001 Posts: 5761 Location: Sunnydale, California
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:10 am |
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I got my copy of the Star Trek Encyclopedia from a used book store. However, since it's an older version, it only includes up to DS9--no Voyager or Enterprise entries. Since I bought it to research for a fanfic based around the time/setting of DS9, suits me fine.
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Sam Kenobi Not a Duke
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 10373 Location: The 'Verse
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:22 pm |
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I've seen the encyclopedias at regular book stores like Borders and Barnes and Noble. I have a Voyager technical manuel and a Voyager writers bible that I ordered from some magazine. they're helpful for Voyager because like Dax said, theres no entries for Voyager in the Trek Encyclopedia. The Voy tech manuel has a nice big chart of warp distances etc too
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thanley Sophomore Cadet
Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 12 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:42 pm |
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In VOYAGER, Caretaker, it was stated that it would take 70 years to travel 70,000 light years at warp 9.
In ENTERPRISE, it would take the Enterprise NX01 six months to travel 50 light years at warp 5.
Information from startrek.com dictated that warp speed is computed geometrically until warp 9 and exponentially at warp 9.1, 9.2 etc
Using these statistics, I came up with the following scale
WARP 1 = speed of light
WARP 2 = 2 x 80 x speed of light
WARP 3 = 3 x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9 = 9 x 80 x speed of light.
WARP 9.1 = (9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
WARP 9.2 = (9 + 2) x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9.9 = (9 + 9) x 80 x speed of light
WARP 9.91 = (9 + 9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
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WARP 9.991 = (9 + 9 + 9 + 1) x 80 x speed of light
etc.
This way, Warp 10 can be denoted as infinite velocity
WARP (9.99999 ........) = (9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + ..........) infinity
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Tsuki no Hikari Ensign, Junior Grade
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:09 pm |
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http://www.ditl.org/scitech/datwarpscales.htm
Warp - Factor Equals (xc)
1- 1
2- 10
3- 39
4- 102
5- 214
6- 392
7- 656
8- 1,024
9- 1,516
9.1- 1,573
9.2- 1,649
9.3- 1,693
9.4- 1,757
9.5- 1,828
9.6- 1,909
9.7- 2,044
9.8- 2,304
9.9- 3,053
9.95- 4,183
9.975- 5,552
9.99- 7,912
9.995- 10,553
9.999- 25,567
9.9999- 199,516
Warp 8 is modernly (TNG/Voyager) the cruising speed of a starship, so an estimate of 75 years for a 75,000 ly journey isn't far off at all.
EDIT again: Also remember that Enterprise is still running on the TOS scale of warp, where the speed is the warp factor cubed, so warp 5 is 125xc. TNG and further on use the TNG scale of warp, which is more complicated, but it's all on that page.
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:44 pm |
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this should help
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:31 pm |
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I don't know how it could be the speed of light...Of course Star Wars is a different thing, but both our Galaxy and the Dutronic Galaxy (the name of the Star Wars Galaxy) are roughly the same size, and in Star Wars lightspeed is the speed of light and you can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other within 48 hours in it...You can't do that with Star Trek, even at Warp 9...Hmmm...
A good thought to puzzel...
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:38 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | I don't know how it could be the speed of light...Of course Star Wars is a different thing, but both our Galaxy and the Dutronic Galaxy (the name of the Star Wars Galaxy) are roughly the same size, and in Star Wars lightspeed is the speed of light and you can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other within 48 hours in it...You can't do that with Star Trek, even at Warp 9...Hmmm...
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Please note that Star Trek uses subspace, while Star Wars uses hyperspace. Biiiiiiiiig difference.
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Monkey Captain
Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 833 Location: On a quest you probably wouldn't believe.
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Warp 1=97,761,600,000
Warp 2=984,459,312,000
Warp 3=3,806,934,465,600
Warp 4=9,931,600,944,000
Warp 5=20,896,542,000,000
Warp 6=38,371,428,000,000
Warp 7=64,144,318,608,000
Warp 8=100,107,878,400,000
Warp 9=148,245,690,240,000
Warp 9.2=161,208,878,400,000
Warp 9.6=186,626,894,400,000
Warp 9.9=298,466,164,800,000
Warp 9.99=773,489,779,200,000
Warp 9.9999=19,505,003,385,600,000
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Quote: | Please note that Star Trek uses subspace, while Star Wars uses hyperspace. Biiiiiiiiig difference. |
That is a good point. Therefore, one can conclude that Star Wars' lightspeed is definitely WAY faster than Star Trek's Warp Speed
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Iqqe Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 203 Location: Deck 1, ready room onboard USS Enterprise NCC-1701-F
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Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:04 pm |
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But remember.. there are two scales of warp speed..
The scales and speeds you have shown here so far is the modern TNG scale, that is used in TNG, DS9, VOY and movies (7-10)..
The other scale called Cochrane used in the Original Series and movies 1-6 is working with this scale:
(warpspeed = x lightspeed)
1 = 1
2 = 8
3 = 27
4 = 64
5 = 125
6 = 216
7 = 343
8 = 512
9 = 729
10 = 1,000
11 = 1,331
12 = 1,728
13 = 2,197
14 = 2,744
So when Kirk says warp 7 in the old movies, that is much much slower than warp 7 in TNG or later... that means when the old Enterprise 1701 travels at warp 6, that speed is equialent with for example Voyagers warp 5. The biggest difference is that the Cochrane scale dosen't finish at warp 10. It is accelerating with a more constant speed than the TNG scale does. The TNG scale accelrate it's speed terrible fast between warp 9 - 10. That's because warp 10 is the threshold for warp speed on the TNG scale and means infinite speed.
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Darkened-Shinobi Sophomore Cadet
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Mon May 24, 2004 2:13 pm |
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In the 2:nd serie of Star Trek: Voyager, the episode Threshold, Tom Paris crosses the Transwarp threshold (which means warp 10,) and goes everywhere in space, home, the Borgs etc. later he stops at Voyager, and transforms into something weird... (ain't telling so much more...)
Warp 10 means infinite velocity, you ARE everywhere... so an really fast warp-engine is probably 9.99999999 (kinda fast...) but 10 is BEYOND everything...
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