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Beta6 Commander
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 475 Location: ~*City Of Angels*~
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Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:07 am |
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Zeke Zabertini wrote: | Well, it's a tough decision. From a practical perspective, I'd rather just get him out of the way than lock him up forever. |
No, I'd rather him live his life in prison... and suffer. Not be put to death and then that's it... it's all over.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:10 am |
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well, if you read the article closely, he is most likely to serve life in prison then die of execution
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832
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Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:37 am |
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See, that's the kind of bureaucracy I'm talking about.
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:19 am |
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He should die for he did. Life is prison is not going to teach him anything. If you have not notice there's television in the prisons. Spoil em yeah right. Be in prison and have a luxury life while Lacey's family go through hell. oh humbug.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:55 am |
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He should be punished for what he did. but prison is no resort at least not where he is. As far as exucution? im mixed on that (over all not this particular case)
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Ziona Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Aug 2001 Posts: 12821 Location: Michigan... for now
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:15 am |
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I strictly believe in an eye for an eye. I think criminals should be punished for what they did by having the very same done to them. if I killed someone, I'd hope they'd kill me for it.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:31 am |
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So if he raped someone, he should also be raped?
I don't, simply because it brings you down to their level. If you give someone a death sentance, it makes you a murderer.
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:29 pm |
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No it doesn't. Means juctice.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:37 pm |
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Rbgirl wrote: | No it doesn't. Means juctice. |
That's right. But if you rape or kill someone, you should get the maximum sentence, no matter what that is.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:41 pm |
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Sorry, still don't buy it. The Bible says "Thou shalt not kill". I may think of the book as a guide than a history book, but I feel the ten commandments are very important. It does not say "Thou shalt not kill unless the person you are killing has killed". It's slightly hypocritical.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:44 pm |
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BTW: I do agree with giving the maximum sentence, but I don't agree with the maximum sentence being death. My dad is in prison for rape, my mother is the person he raped, so I'm in the position of being a family member of both a victim and a criminal. I think he should have gotten a lot longer sentence than he did, but I also understand the judge's reasoning behind only giving him 10 1/2 years (my dad reported it himself, although that was only because he thought he'd killed my mother).
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Ziona Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Aug 2001 Posts: 12821 Location: Michigan... for now
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:34 pm |
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well, i think when it comes to murder it's an eye for an eye. If anyone I knew was killed, trust me, I'd go after the person that killed them and, if I had to, kill them myself. that's part of what makes me such a scary person to be around sometimes. ^^ But, as I said, if i were to kill someone, I'd hope someone would kill me.
That's just my philosophy though. Not saying you're wrong, Seven of Nine, just saying that's my stand on things.
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Jemah Lieutenant
Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 209
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:54 pm |
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no death penalty for him. he's a sociopath.. being in prison for life will be brutal.
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Beta6 Commander
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 475 Location: ~*City Of Angels*~
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:56 pm |
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Ziona wrote: | well, i think when it comes to murder it's an eye for an eye. If anyone I knew was killed, trust me, I'd go after the person that killed them and, if I had to, kill them myself. that's part of what makes me such a scary person to be around sometimes. ^^ But, as I said, if i were to kill someone, I'd hope someone would kill me.
That's just my philosophy though. Not saying you're wrong, Seven of Nine, just saying that's my stand on things. |
I don't think it should be an eye for an eye. Cause how are they g oing to learn? If someone kills a person, obviously they have a mental problem... and killing them would be doing them a favor. So, I think justice is locking them up and letting them face prison.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:02 pm |
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Hmm... Couldn't being a sociopath be considered a mental illness, therefore making him "mentally handicapped", and a candidate to be put to death? Lord knows he's certainly not going to "contribute to society" ever again.
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Beta6 Commander
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:05 pm |
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Theresa wrote: | Hmm... Couldn't being a sociopath be considered a mental illness, therefore making him "mentally handicapped", and a candidate to be put to death? Lord knows he's certainly not going to "contribute to society" ever again. |
If he served life in prison, we would not have to worry about him getting back out into society again...
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:07 pm |
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You miss the point,
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Beta6 Commander
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 475 Location: ~*City Of Angels*~
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:15 pm |
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well please, explain so I will know what you are talking about.
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:28 pm |
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I agree. Those that cannot be turned from a criminal mindset and cannot resist their own impulses should be eliminated. I get the feeling that your comment was directed at me.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:36 pm |
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Zeke Zabertini wrote: | I agree. Those that cannot be turned from a criminal mindset and cannot resist their own impulses should be eliminated. I get the feeling that your comment was directed at me. |
Actually, not entirely, I did wonder where you would stand on this, though.
I'll ask a lot of questions, Zeke, not to try and put you down, but to try and understand. A lot of the topics right now in WN seem to be interlinked, so I'm sure it'll keep popping up.
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:47 pm |
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That's for sure. I'm trying to stay away from that Schiavo topic though. I seem to be tempting a whirlwind of retribution in there. I can't find any one party to agree with because most of my views cross over. I support Terri's death, I support the death penalty, and I support abortion. I'm a realistic liberal, T. If I'm to have my socialist views, I must create a world in which they can theoretically be supported. A lot of this is personal experimentation, too. I don't necessarily like where my arguments take me, but I need to create a full picture. I'm don't feel bound to a national or religious basis, so I work from scratch. That means I need to be able to argue every viewpoint in as many ways as possible. The trouble is that most views trace back to personal belief, which can't be argued. Therefore, I try to use as much fact as possible. And I'm beginning to discover the anchors fact has in components of almost every political affiliation. So, we are on a joint quest to understand. Don't cease to question. The more I think on these things, the better.
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Starbuck faster...
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 8715 Location: between chaos and melody
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:45 pm |
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I support this mans death, in may ways, I'm with zeke, if you can't control your own violent impulses, you just need to be eliminated.
yes, I realize I'm a cold hearted, cruel person.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:28 pm |
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I'd go for life in solitary confinement.
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Puck The Texan
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:32 pm |
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^That, I can agree with.
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:59 pm |
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Well, now you run into the same paradox I keep bringing up. Killing them should be cheaper, but the way we go about it it isn't. So, the only benefit to the death penalty as the U.S. does it is to save on space.
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