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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001
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Location: North East England
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 Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:59 am Kissing between under 16s to become illegal |
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| Quote: | New bill will make teenage kisses illegal
John Carvel, social affairs editor
Friday July 11, 2003
The Guardian
A bill due before parliament next week will make it a criminal offence for two 15-year-olds to kiss in public, the Home Office said last night.
But officials said those below the age of consent were unlikely to be prosecuted if both were enjoying the embrace.
The revelation came after the Family Planning Association warned that the sexual offences bill, due for second reading in the Commons on Tuesday, threatened the young people it was supposed to protect.
Anne Weyman, the association's chief executive, said the bill would criminalise all consenting sexual activity among those under 16.
"This behaviour could include common petting activities such as kissing and touching, through to full sexual intercourse," she said.
"This kind of sexual exploration is completely normal and an important part of adolescent development. If the bill is passed without any amendments, such activity could carry a prison sentence of up to five years."
She said criminalising sexual activity would mean young people would be left without support, putting them at risk of unplanned pregnancies or sexually transmitted infections.
"The criminal law has a very poor record for influencing consenting sexual behaviour," she said. "The bill devalues true abuse from desired sexual activity by failing to distinguish the two."
The Home Office accepted Ms Weyman's interpretation of the bill, but said there was no plan to change it.
Meanwhile the latest attempt to revive the symbolic controversy over "section 28" restrictions on gay sex education failed in the House of Lords last night when the Tory peeress Lady Blatch failed to carry what her critics called a wrecking amendment to the local government bill.
Peers voted by 180 to 130 to reject an attempt by Lady Blatch to prevent repeal of the hated section until every school giving sex education had balloted parents.
"Mine is a simple mission to protect children from the worst form of sex education," Lady Blatch told peers after inheriting the pro-section 28 campaign from Lady Young who died last year.
Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, the mainstream gay lobby, said: "This vote was a triumph for 21st century tolerance over 19th century prejudice. A noisy minority of politicians has defended this indefensible totem for far too long.
"We regret that organisations such as the Christian Institute found it necessary to resort to distortion and scaremongering in their attempts to frustrate this long overdue change in the law."
Guardian Unlimited � Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 |
This is ridiculous! In the UK, sex if you're under 16 is illegal, and that's fine. However, two consenting 15 year olds, coming up to their 16th birthday, may decide that because of this they're going to stick to kissing and hugging. This bill, if it went through, would make it illegal for them to kiss in public. I kissed my boyfriends in public, even my first "boyfriend" when I was 10. There's nothing wrong with it, so why make it illegal?
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PrankishSmart
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Joined: 29 Apr 2002
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:09 am |
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HAHAHA...That is the most stupid proposal I have ever heard!
| Quote: | | "If the bill is passed without any amendments, such activity could carry a prison sentence of up to five years." |
What would that accomplish? If one 15 year old kisses another 15 year old their going to end up in prison? *scratches head* Now I am confused.
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Abby diann
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Joined: 15 Jul 2001
Posts: 7672
Location: galvaston tx
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:36 am |
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now that is stupid!! what next you can't spend more than 2 hours w/ you boy/ girl firend!! this is stupid all the way  we should be able to kiss it just shows how we fell for each other!!
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:46 am |
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Yep. In all realism it should be up to the parents if anything. If a couple are engaged in kissing in public, then their obviously old enough. Things like birth control and std's should be taught to kids in primary and high school, it should not become so bad and out of control to become a law.
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Abby diann
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Location: galvaston tx
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:59 am |
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yeah i know i have firends who have babys and there just 16 and they regret it too.. and i know not to but it should not be a law some ppl who have done things like having babys and std's they have learned well..most of them anyway but yeah it is it just plane stupid for this law..
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Captain Dappet
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Joined: 06 Feb 2002
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Location: On my supersonic rocket ship.
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:29 am |
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*beep*! What the hell? Who the *beep* do these idiots think they are? If people are in love they should be allowed to kiss even if their 9 years old, whatever! Here in Sweden we are allowed to have sex when we're 15, BTW. 
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Los
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Joined: 07 Jun 2002
Posts: 1336
Location: Oklahoma fa sho!
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:39 am |
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That deserves a big "WHAT THE *beep*".
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Captain Dappet
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:05 pm |
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I agree. Lets all sing a song..It goes like this:
'WHAT THE *beep*!'
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Zebedee
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Joined: 19 May 2002
Posts: 2467
Location: England
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:14 pm |
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I agree it is a stupid law�I can�t see how they can enforce it either. I do see where it�s coming from though�
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001
Posts: 7871
Location: North East England
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:24 pm |
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Yeah... it'll never work. I waited till I was 16 to get pregnant anyway 
Just thought I'd post it here, since most members are under 16 (btw, this is for the UK, if you hadn't realised it)
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Captain Dappet
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| Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:27 pm |
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I realized that. But I still think its a *beep* up *beep*-law.
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Ksim3000
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:59 am |
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I know they have done something smiliar in China where you couldn't kiss in schools. I don't fully agree but what The Goverment are trying to do is lower teenage pregnancies which The UK has the highest number in all of Europe. Still, lets not jump to conclusions....
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Saoirse_Granger
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Joined: 03 Jan 2003
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| Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:14 am |
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What I'm worried about: Will this mean a ban on selling mistletoe 
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@Chuckles
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Location: I want to drink your blood lol
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| Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:26 am |
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poor mistletoe
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Ksim3000
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| Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:33 am |
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Lets hope it dosen't mean Mistletoe, that would be breaking a tradition!
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:14 pm |
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| Ksim3000 wrote: | | I know they have done something smiliar in China where you couldn't kiss in schools. I don't fully agree but what The Goverment are trying to do is lower teenage pregnancies which The UK has the highest number in all of Europe. Still, lets not jump to conclusions.... |
I don't think that there would be many lower than 16 year old girls falling pregnant anyway.
What happens if it does happen. Throw them behind bars for 5 years and hope they learn a lesson? They get out of prison around the age of 19 or 20. I don't think it would prove a thing.
No one can deny human nature.
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Greg87
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Location: At my computer....duh!!!!
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| Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:24 am |
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That won't stop people will it! IM mean im over 16 but how will it wrk?
Two peeps on a park bench kiss and a Policeman asks do you have any i.d?
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harrykims#1fan
Fan Girl Muskateer
Joined: 08 Feb 2002
Posts: 2916
Location: Leicester UK
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| Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:23 am |
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in the People on Sunday it says:
KIDS GO-AHEAD FOR SMOOCHING
Teenage Sweethearts have been told by the government to carry on kissing
There where fears that under 16s who snog and fondle could face up to 5 years detention under the new sexual offences bill.
But home office minister Paul Goggins (Heehehe) said
"Criminalising teenagers who engage in kissing as part of their development is not the intention"
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Stoke me a clipper i'll be back for christmas
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Kyre
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| Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:23 pm |
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I see where they're coming from with this bill, and agree with it to a point.
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Tech
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| Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:51 am |
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That bill stinks big time... though I don't think I'll ever kiss anyone (excluding my computer, that is... )
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Melodramatic
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| Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:16 pm |
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Lol, ok Thats very stupid.
But why the heck would 16 yrs old and younger people wanna have sex?
Why not wait untiol they are older.
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Ksim3000
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:06 pm |
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Well many of you think it is silly but many girls are becoming mothers at 16, especially in The UK which isn't good. Most of these babies end up being left in the streets or being born into unwanted families thus distrupting females lives. I'm not 100%, maybe 50%. This proposal will be to lower brithrates, like In China. I'm not sure about The US but over here it is bad and something needs to be done so what else could you do?
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Alpha6006
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| Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:58 pm OK |
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OK, I'll have to agree with the rest of the group! its a very ridiculas proposal that has been made!!
Come off it! I am in the west sussex police force and there is no way am I going up to a couple of 15 year olds to stop them kissing!! I did it when I was 15 so I dont see the problem!
However when ever I am out in public with my girlfriend I have to be quite consevative (Not kissing in public) because of what my occupation is I am always in the public eye!
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tactical officer 1
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Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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Location: sector 001,earth,san fransisco,starfleet academy
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| Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:46 am |
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its actually knowsley that has the highest count in teenage pregnancys in the whole of europe
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tactical officer 1
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Location: sector 001,earth,san fransisco,starfleet academy
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| Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:48 am |
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| Lieutenant_Tech wrote: | | That bill stinks big time... though I don't think I'll ever kiss anyone (excluding my computer, that is... ) |
me too lolololol
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