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LightningBoy
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These busses are in New Orleans, they could've been used to easily evacuate a good portion of the city, knowing that the hurricane was on it's way. Why didn't Nagin do it?
Another question, why did Nagin jam everyone in the Superdome, knowing well, that they would end up being stranded there for a long time in their own filth?
Seems, he failed. And seems, he wants the feds to bail him out. 
As for the levy funding, there's no way Cat-5 protection could've been put in place. From Civil Engineering Magazine
| Quote: | | According to Al Naomi (the project manager for all of the Corps�s hurricane protection levees in southeastern Louisiana), any concerted effort to protect the city from a storm of category 4 or 5 will probably take 30 years to complete. And the feasibility study alone for such an effort will cost as much as $8 million. Even though Congress has authorized the feasibility study, funding has not yet been appropriated. When funds are made available, the study will take about six years to complete. �That�s a lot of time to get the study before Congress,� Naomi admits. �Hopefully we won�t have a major storm before then.� |
It's just plain impossible. In fact, the part of the levy that broke was a section that was recently refurbished. Federal funding to fix it was there, it just wasn't done correctly, and THAT, I would blame on local government for improperly distributing funds.
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Starbuck
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| Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:58 pm |
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source for all that?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:26 pm |
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Its right there in his post.
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Founder
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| Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:09 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: |
These busses are in New Orleans, they could've been used to easily evacuate a good portion of the city, knowing that the hurricane was on it's way. Why didn't Nagin do it?
Another question, why did Nagin jam everyone in the Superdome, knowing well, that they would end up being stranded there for a long time in their own filth?
Seems, he failed. And seems, he wants the feds to bail him out.
As for the levy funding, there's no way Cat-5 protection could've been put in place. From Civil Engineering Magazine
| Quote: | | According to Al Naomi (the project manager for all of the Corps�s hurricane protection levees in southeastern Louisiana), any concerted effort to protect the city from a storm of category 4 or 5 will probably take 30 years to complete. And the feasibility study alone for such an effort will cost as much as $8 million. Even though Congress has authorized the feasibility study, funding has not yet been appropriated. When funds are made available, the study will take about six years to complete. �That�s a lot of time to get the study before Congress,� Naomi admits. �Hopefully we won�t have a major storm before then.� |
It's just plain impossible. In fact, the part of the levy that broke was a section that was recently refurbished. Federal funding to fix it was there, it just wasn't done correctly, and THAT, I would blame on local government for improperly distributing funds. |
You're blaming the wrong person. Blanco is the one who f****d up.
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borgslayer
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Joined: 27 Aug 2003
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| Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:33 am |
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Kathleen Blanco is lying, she is also fed up with everyone trying to contact her and making any sort of communications with her.
I just watched CNN and she said she never met on a meeting "Mayor Nagins" even though the videos states that Mayor Nagin of new orleans did meet her.
I think the Governor has been overwhelmed can't do her job anymore. So I say get her out of office and get a better governor for Lousiana.
I will have to agree with you founder.
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:51 pm |
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I do not think President Bush has done a good job.
I believe that he rushed into the "War on Terror" too quickly. In my opinion I feel that this administration has had little or no respect for the way people in the Middle East live their lives. From what I have seen we appear to be attacking Iraq and some of their most sacred beliefs, and not focusing on fighting terrorism. But as I said, this is my opinion and I may very well not have all of the facts.
As for Katrina. I think that there is more than enough blame to share. I think that people were trying to wade through too much red tape and not focusing on the human aspect of the storm. The local authorities should have sent more busses, the federal officials should have been there faster, the engineers of the levees should have built them thicker, hospitals should have evacuated all of their patients.
Unfortunetly hindsight is 20/20.
note: I apologize if some of my comments are coming accross as convoluted or argumentitive. I am exausted, I've been up for over 30 hours and am falling asleep as I type...
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LightningBoy
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| Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:39 pm |
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I counted well over 200 busses there. There was also an untouched fleet of City Busses.
200busses, 20 people in each? That's 6000 people, and that's only one fleet. NOBODY should've been in that Superdome.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:42 pm |
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^Exactly. There were SO MANY buses and yet they were not used. Also, the mayor didn't even enforce the mandatory evacuation. Boy do I wish that I could post O'Reilly's commentary...
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teya
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| Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:05 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | I counted well over 200 busses there. There was also an untouched fleet of City Busses.
200busses, 20 people in each? That's 6000 people, and that's only one fleet. NOBODY should've been in that Superdome. |
Math's not your strong suit, huh? 
200 busses x 20 = 4000.
But, more realistically, how about 600 busses x 50 per bus? 30,000. Where to?
And that still leaves 70,000 behind.
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Theresa
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:48 am |
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Does it matter where to? At least then they were alive and healthy... The people being evacuated now, are not.
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teya
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:10 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Does it matter where to? At least then they were alive and healthy... The people being evacuated now, are not. |
Um, yeah, it does. At the time a cat 5 was bearing down on New Orleans, and all shelters within 100 miles were full.
They wouldn't have been particularly alive nor healthy if they'd been sitting on busses trying to outrun the storm.
I'd also like to know how anyone would expect the mayor and the police, in the chaos of the evac, to explain that there's only enough room on the busses for a third of the stranded population. How do you handle that? First come, first served? Oooh, yeah, there's a recipe for an orderly evac.
Again, mistakes were made across the board. Seizing on one detail and saying that everything would have been fine had they used the busses in the city to evac on Sunday is naive.
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Theresa
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:13 am |
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From what I've seen, many refused to evacuate anyway, so they wouldn't have to worry too awful much about who to deny.
And if we wanted FEMA et al there practically during the storm, and the levees giving out...
And 100 miles is only about an hour and a halfs ride. If aid people were supposed to react knowing what kind of massive disaster this was going to be, then the local government should have done the same in prevention matters.
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tycoon64
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:32 am |
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I dont believe that Geroge Bush did bad in office. The whole problem in New Orleans is not bushs fault like everyone tries to say. Other organizations and people are to blame. He went down there and got a bill passed to give them several billion dollars. FEMA is the one people need to look at if you want to blame someone. Like T said People did not want to leave so trying to evac would not of helped. Bush did great with handling 9-11, Gore would of crawled under his desk and would of done nothing. Republicans are men of action and of war. Democrats rarely ever go to war. Bush has handled every situation with his best ability. People expect more than one man can do. Go Bush and I would vote for you any time.
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CJ Cregg
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:53 am |
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lol Democrats rarely go to war. lol
World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam War, Yugoslavia, Somalia. ALl democrats when those started
And you dont know what a President Gore would of done so shut your mouth. 
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teya
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:59 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | And 100 miles is only about an hour and a halfs ride. |
On a normal day. During an evacuation of 500,000 people it takes much longer. It was taking 8 hours to get to Baton Rouge on Sunday. Normally a 3 hr drive.
| Quote: | | If aid people were supposed to react knowing what kind of massive disaster this was going to be, then the local government should have done the same in prevention matters. |
Yep, and I've said that local evac plans and shelter plans were insufficient. Unlike you, however, I don't place *all* of the blame on them. The simple fact of the matter is that when help was requested, the federal government didn't rise to the occasion.
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teya
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:03 am |
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| tycoon64 wrote: | | FEMA is the one people need to look at if you want to blame someone. |
Uh, yeah. And who appointed the head of FEMA? A guy with absolutely no background in disaster planning or recovery, a guy whose last job was overseeing horse show judging.
George Bush.
Who reduced FEMA from a Cabinet level position to a department under Homeland Security, *increasing* the size and inefficiency of government?
George Bush.
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Theresa
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:53 pm |
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Yep, and I've said that local evac plans and shelter plans were insufficient. Unlike you, however, I don't place *all* of the blame on them. The simple fact of the matter is that when help was requested, the federal government didn't rise to the occasion. |
Huh. Perhaps you ought to read what it is I've said? Because never once did I place all of the blame on anyone.
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LightningBoy
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | lol Democrats rarely go to war. lol
World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam War, Yugoslavia, Somalia. ALl democrats when those started
And you dont know what a President Gore would of done so shut your mouth. |
Let's not forget Korea.
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teya
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:42 pm |
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Actually, you keep telling me that the the federal government, including the president, did all they could.
So, if they did all they could, then you *are* placing the blame on the local authorities. Which, of course, I realize is just looking for accountability, not pointing fingers or playing the "blame game."
It's only pointing fingers and playing the blame game if you're asking for accountability from the feds.
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Theresa
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:47 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | I agree with you both. The ball was dropped on this one many times. Do I think it was PERSON X's fault? No. I think that all of these tiny, and bigger, mistakes led to this huge catastrophe.
I also don't think that this should be the American people's focus right now. IMO, the people who endured this should maintain top priority intsead of being overshadowed by all of the fingerpointing. |
Prior post of mine. But hey, go ahead, put words into my mouth if that's what you feel you need to do to justify yourself. (And actually, that post was in agreeance with something you had said.)
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Puck
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:51 pm |
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This is why I like Bush. He is crying in this picture, taken after 9/11, at some memorial or something I beleive. Anyways, to see Bush like this, makes me feel that no matter how questionable his actions are from my perspective, I know that he really does care about the people of this country.
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Seven of Nine
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:53 pm |
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I don't like all of Bush's policies (I'm a socialist so that's bound to happen) but I don't doubt he's a human being, with human emotions. He might not be perfect, but who is?
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teya
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| Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:02 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | I agree with you both. The ball was dropped on this one many times. Do I think it was PERSON X's fault? No. I think that all of these tiny, and bigger, mistakes led to this huge catastrophe.
I also don't think that this should be the American people's focus right now. IMO, the people who endured this should maintain top priority intsead of being overshadowed by all of the fingerpointing. |
Prior post of mine. But hey, go ahead, put words into my mouth if that's what you feel you need to do to justify yourself. (And actually, that post was in agreeance with something you had said.) |
Thanks for clarifying. Since you posted after a number of different responses, I wasn't sure who "both of you" were.
Then we are in agreement that the mistakes weren't entirely at any one level or on any one person's head.
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Founder
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| Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:41 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | lol Democrats rarely go to war. lol
World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam War, Yugoslavia, Somalia. ALl democrats when those started
And you dont know what a President Gore would of done so shut your mouth. |
All those wars with Democrats, yet we're the war mongers....
Bush has been doing very well. After what the Liberals are doing with the Hurrican aftermath, I lost the little respect I had for them.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:45 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | CJ Cregg wrote: | lol Democrats rarely go to war. lol
World War 1, World War 2, Vietnam War, Yugoslavia, Somalia. ALl democrats when those started
And you dont know what a President Gore would of done so shut your mouth. |
All those wars with Democrats, yet we're the war mongers....
Bush has been doing very well. After what the Liberals are doing with the Hurrican aftermath, I lost the little respect I had for them. |
As have I. Just look at the things that Reid, Clinton (Hillary), Pelosi, Dean, and so many more are saying, and the rallies that are happening against Bush. I just don't see why the left has to politicize EVERY disaster that occurs to such an extent. I've never seen so much politicization in my life, it's disgusting. The Left right now is just disgusting, pure and simple.
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