President George W. Bush |
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borgslayer Rear Admiral
Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 2646 Location: Las Vegas
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Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:30 pm Your Opinions (Now) on the President? |
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I want to hear what you think of the President and if you think he has done a good job, fair job, or a bad one. On running the economy, the government, and the war in Iraq.
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Arellia The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 4425 Location: Dallas, TX
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Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:33 pm |
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I'm goin' with fair. I think he has good intentions, don't get me wrong, but the border thing he did awful on, and Iraq was more bloody (on our side) than it needed to be. The economy... well... if we get through this gas thing, he'll have done alright.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:23 am |
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If it wasn't for the iraq war, I think he would have been a good president.
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:21 am |
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He's an idiot. A complete and utter idiot. How he got voted in twice I'll never know.
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Starbuck faster...
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 8715 Location: between chaos and melody
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:33 am |
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He only got voted in once, actually. The first time around, with all the vote counting in Florida... yeah, I found it ironic that his campaigne (sp) manager was incharge of the recount.... but this isn't the place for that argument
I think he had good intentions, but they just didn't work out.
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Alucard Vampire
Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 2780 Location: Caaaaaanada
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:24 am |
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he did a good job with Katrina... It's not his fault he couldn't get help there immediatly. But he got it as fast as he could.
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Starbuck faster...
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 8715 Location: between chaos and melody
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:39 am |
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Well, they knew for awhile that Katrina was comming, and you mean to tell me, that a couple school districts couldn't take a couple of days off, and send the school busses to help evacuate the poor people who couldn't afford to get themselves out?
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CJ Cregg Commodore
Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 1254
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:03 am |
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madlilnerd wrote: | He's an idiot. A complete and utter idiot. How he got voted in twice I'll never know. |
Couldn't agree with you more. People follow him blindly
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Birdy Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 13502 Location: Here.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:03 am |
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madlilnerd wrote: | He's an idiot. A complete and utter idiot. How he got voted in twice I'll never know. |
I couldn't agree more. How he got voted, is because actually a lot of people agree with him. That's the part I don't understand.
Starbuck wrote: | Well, they knew for awhile that Katrina was comming, and you mean to tell me, that a couple school districts couldn't take a couple of days off, and send the school busses to help evacuate the poor people who couldn't afford to get themselves out? |
Exactly.
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Alucard Vampire
Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 2780 Location: Caaaaaanada
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:22 am |
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Starbuck wrote: | Well, they knew for awhile that Katrina was comming, and you mean to tell me, that a couple school districts couldn't take a couple of days off, and send the school busses to help evacuate the poor people who couldn't afford to get themselves out? |
I don't know much about the whole bus things but they could've sent them in, yes I agree with that.
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Arellia The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 4425 Location: Dallas, TX
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:42 am |
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Starbuck wrote: | Well, they knew for awhile that Katrina was comming, and you mean to tell me, that a couple school districts couldn't take a couple of days off, and send the school busses to help evacuate the poor people who couldn't afford to get themselves out? |
The governor and the mayor should've done that, not the president.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:45 am |
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I'd say hes done a fair job, all in all. Not exactly great, but not bad either.
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teya Commander
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 423
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:07 pm |
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mad_d0ggie wrote: | he did a good job with Katrina... It's not his fault he couldn't get help there immediatly. But he got it as fast as he could. |
You're being sarcastic, right?
He campaigned on the usual Republican platform of "smaller government" (which is historically inaccurate--the federal government always gets bigger under Republicans), and then proceeded to add another level of bureaucracy with Homeland Security. Until 2001, the director of FEMA was a cabinet level position. It no longer is, which means that FEMA has to get approval from Homeland Security to do anything in the aftermath.
Standard operating procedure is that in a disaster, the first 48-72 hours are the responsibility of state and local authorities. Even though Blanco noted in her State of Emergency declaration last Sunday that they didn't have the resources at the state and local level to cope with the expected aftermath (and yes, it was *expected*), it still took the feds *2 days longer* than standard operating procedure to get significant help in.
Michael D. Brown, Bush's appointee as head of FEMA, had absolutely no disaster planning or recovery background before he came to the agency. He was an attorney overseeing horse shows before Bush gave this friend-of-a-friend the job.
That, folks, is absolute ineptitude. He said he'd appoint the best. That is the best he could find? *I* could do a better job than Brown has. But then, I've got experience in disaster planning and recovery. Unlike the best Bush could find.
You see local officials--swamped beyond their capabilities--having breakdowns on TV, *begging* for help. And what is the President's reponse? "Brownie, you're doing one heck of a job."
You get fired in this administration, not for being incompetent, but for being disloyal. And meanwhile, we see the results along the Gulf Coast. The death toll will probably exceed that of the Galveston hurricane. We are talking maybe 10,000 dead--Mayor Nagin thinks it could be hgher--in New Orleans alone.
And most of those deaths were preventable.
Bush is inept.
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:42 pm |
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Starbuck wrote: | He only got voted in once, actually. The first time around, with all the vote counting in Florida... yeah, I found it ironic that his campaigne (sp) manager was incharge of the recount.... but this isn't the place for that argument
I think he had good intentions, but they just didn't work out. |
Actually every independant recount shows that he won from anywhere between 400 and 1100 votes. I have yet to see a recount which shows Gore as the winner.
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:47 pm |
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You've got to be kidding. You want to look at ineptness, look at the loudmouth mayor of New Orleans who had a fund to enforce and rebuild the levies about a year ago, and he used to money to help fund a new Casino in the area. The governor of the state could've gotten everyone out of New Orleans, when 4 days before it hit, they said it was going that way. The local government was illprepared, and then they whine to the feds to dig them out (which they've done a fine job doing thus far).
You want to look at the failures, look at Louisiana's state and local government.
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:51 pm |
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madlilnerd wrote: | He's an idiot. A complete and utter idiot. How he got voted in twice I'll never know. |
Nice to see we've got mature arguements. You know, you're really convincing. I wish I could be so rhetorical.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:15 pm |
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Like Syd said, getting the people out before hand was the mayor's and governor's jobs. They failed.
That said, I don't think that Bush handled Katrina that well. Of course, I also don't blame him for it. You have all of these black politicians, newscasters saying that response was slow because it was primarily black people. I suppose the "poor gangs" stealing weapons and turning sniper on those there to help them affected anything...
So, yeah, Bush means well, and I really think his goal is to help the people, but... he's got a ways to go.
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teya Commander
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 423
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:30 pm |
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LightningBoy wrote: | You've got to be kidding. You want to look at ineptness, look at the loudmouth mayor of New Orleans who had a fund to enforce and rebuild the levies about a year ago, and he used to money to help fund a new Casino in the area. |
Link?
The fact of the matter is that the levee system was designed to withstand a Cat 3, nothing more. The Times-Picayune had a terrific series back in 2002 detailing the all the issues involved. Still, the federal govt continued to cut funding.
A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers on Nightline Thursday night said that protecting NO from a Cat 4 or 5 had been discussed. It wasn't considered "cost-effective."
This is the problem with the Republican model for government--from health care right down to disaster prevention. We look for "cost-effectiveness."
What's the price of American lives?
Quote: | The governor of the state could've gotten everyone out of New Orleans, when 4 days before it hit, they said it was going that way. |
Four days before Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, she was a Cat 1 bearing down on Miami.
At that point in time, no one knew what she'd do after that.
Theresa wrote: | Like Syd said, getting the people out before hand was the mayor's and governor's jobs. They failed.
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Gov. Blanco issued an emergency order on *Sunday* requesting Federal assistance in the immediate aftermath, and specifically noted that state and local authorities didn't have the resources to cope.
Gov. Blanco's Emergency Order.
It took FEMA 5 days to get there.
Yes, that is inept. Criminally so.
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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:48 pm |
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I think you can put some blame on all government levels. Yes FEMA did a *beep* job. I can understand how it would take a while to get men actually to New Orleans, but as for food and supplies...how hard is an air-drop? Of course, at the same time, if New Orleans has been planning this for years, and planning to use the Superdome in such a manner, why didn't they actually prepare the Superdome before hand and stock it with supplies?
I don't have the actual article or anything, I have read so many lately I can't remember where I actually heard this, but the news was saying that the plan for the eight district of New Orleans was to give enforement 87 water bottles. There plan for a district of the city was to have 87 water bottles? Does that even fit the definition of the word 'plan'?
Finally, I was hearing somewhere, that the the winds actually in the city of New Orleans only reached about 100-110 mph, with gusts I am sure, but still. That is classified as about a level 2 hurricane. The levees were supposed to withstand a category 3.
You can blame practically every government official involved in this for something, and in time, we do need to figure out blame, and take a very in depth look at those. However, right now, I really don't think is the time for bitching, and pointing fingers.
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teya Commander
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 423
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:02 pm |
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^ The thread is about what we think of Bush's presidency. His response to this disaster is an illustration of why I think it sucks.
If we can't use this as a reason yet, then I suggest that those saying his response was terrific should also be chided for "pointing fingers."
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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:16 pm |
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teya wrote: | ^ The thread is about what we think of Bush's presidency. His response to this disaster is an illustration of why I think it sucks.
If we can't use this as a reason yet, then I suggest that those saying his response was terrific should also be chided for "pointing fingers." |
I am very aware of what this thread is about . You make the point that Bush is 'inept', and use this as an example to illustrate it. I am merely continuing that part of the coversation by providing an alternate perspective, not even necessarily of support.
Also, I didn't say you couldn't use it. Was just stating in my opinion, I think it is silly at this point in time.
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teya Commander
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 423
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:19 pm |
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^ Again, you're saying its okay to use his response to the hurricane as an example of why he's a good president, but it's "silly" for someone with *experience* in disaster prevention and response to use it as an example of an inept presidency.
Obviously, I disagree.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:24 pm |
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Sunday was bad, but Monday was when the levees broke, and all hell broke loose.
Aaaaanyway, don't want the mods of this section to yellz at me,
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Kasey Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 287 Location: Somewhere
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:08 pm |
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I don't point any fingers at Bush. He did ok. I feel sorry for the people, My prayers are with them.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:53 pm |
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He has done a good job on almost everything, minus illegal immigration, in my opinion, although there are some here-and-there things that I don't think he's done well, I'm sure.
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