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borgslayer
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Leo Wyatt wrote: | | I don't think people under 21 should be allowed to drink. It is just too young, they not fully an adult yet in my opinion. |
But they are LEGALLY an adult AND:
-get married without parental permission
-decide on who to vote for in an election
-can drive
-can decide to serve in the armed forces (which could result in death)
Don't get me wrong--I have NO interest in drinking. But I think that a lower age to 18 is reasonable. |
Hey don't go liberal on me RM. 
Honestly most teens that turn 18 are too stupid and do not pay attention to what is right and wrong (no offense). Just last year 3 teens in my city died because they were drinking beer and driving. They were 16 to 18 year olds. I think giving teens at 18 a chance too drink beer just increase the chance for more teens dying from drunk driving related accidents.
Its a big NO to this question.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:14 pm |
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Well, over the past 20 years, alcohol-related fatal crash rates have decreased by 60 percent in the age range of 16-17, and by 55% in between the ages of 18-20.
You can make an arguement for or against drinking at 18 with that info.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:37 pm |
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| borgslayer wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Leo Wyatt wrote: | | I don't think people under 21 should be allowed to drink. It is just too young, they not fully an adult yet in my opinion. |
But they are LEGALLY an adult AND:
-get married without parental permission
-decide on who to vote for in an election
-can drive
-can decide to serve in the armed forces (which could result in death)
Don't get me wrong--I have NO interest in drinking. But I think that a lower age to 18 is reasonable. |
Hey don't go liberal on me RM.
Honestly most teens that turn 18 are too stupid and do not pay attention to what is right and wrong (no offense). Just last year 3 teens in my city died because they were drinking beer and driving. They were 16 to 18 year olds. I think giving teens at 18 a chance too drink beer just increase the chance for more teens dying from drunk driving related accidents.
Its a big NO to this question. |
It's NOT a Liberal or a Conservative thing. It's logic.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:45 pm |
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If they moved the legal of age marriage, voting, driving, and serving in the armed forces up to 21, would it still be logical to decrease the drinking age to 18?
No, according to your argument.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:10 am |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | If they moved the legal of age marriage, voting, driving, and serving in the armed forces up to 21, would it still be logical to decrease the drinking age to 18?
No, according to your argument. |
The logic is in having all at the same age, in my opinion, as all require one to have reached a stage of physical and pyschological maturity. The actual age itself is not much of an issue, although anything younger than 18 begins to get questionable because many adolescents are still in puberty, and anything over 21 begins to get questionable because most people have matured by that age. There are exceptions to this like anything, but 18-21 seems like a good range.
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lionhead
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:54 am |
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Actually in my country you may drink at the age of 18, i think.... Driving is from 18, not 16 as in the US. 18 is late enough, when your 16 you may drive a motorcycle in my country.
Of course, smoking Marihuana is legal in my country from the age of 18, only in a coffee shop.
And gambling is from 18 years old.
I'm sure one or 2 of those things is actually from 21, but someone else from Holland has to correct that.
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webtaz99
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:31 am |
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I think people should need a license to drink. Age has nothing to do with it, other than the fact that in most countries, the parents are responsible for their children up to certain age. People who get violent or irresponsible when drunk should not be allowed to, at least away from their homes. Some people just can't handle alcohol.
Of course, people would find ways around it, but it would still cut down on public "drunks".
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tycoon64
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Its quite simple if it is leagal to drink at any age there will be more consequences than lifes worth. The answer is no.
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lionhead
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:04 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | I think people should need a license to drink. Age has nothing to do with it, other than the fact that in most countries, the parents are responsible for their children up to certain age. People who get violent or irresponsible when drunk should not be allowed to, at least away from their homes. Some people just can't handle alcohol.
Of course, people would find ways around it, but it would still cut down on public "drunks". |
Sure, mae another license. Increase the taxes, make people avoid the police for holding a beer in their hands. Thats gonna solve everything  . It would increase crime, making fake license makers more professional and better at covering it up. Governemnts have poeple too you know, if they don't agree with this they will use their power for their own benefits.
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Birdy
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:46 pm |
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In Holland you can drink 'light' alcohol such as beer from the age of 16. Things like vodka and stuff from 18. I think that's ok, but over here, if you're 14/15, you can just buy beer at the supermarket, and they don't check your age. They're legally obliged to do that, but hardly any store does that. I think the age is ok, the government just has to put some charges if supermarkets don't check and sell it to younger people. 
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:37 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | If they moved the legal of age marriage, voting, driving, and serving in the armed forces up to 21, would it still be logical to decrease the drinking age to 18?
No, according to your argument. |
The logic is in having all at the same age, in my opinion, as all require one to have reached a stage of physical and pyschological maturity. The actual age itself is not much of an issue, although anything younger than 18 begins to get questionable because many adolescents are still in puberty, and anything over 21 begins to get questionable because most people have matured by that age. There are exceptions to this like anything, but 18-21 seems like a good range. |
Well as I said, one of the reasons that here in the US, alcohol is illegal under 21, is because 21 is the age at which the normal person's brain stops developing.
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lionhead
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:36 pm |
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| Birdy wrote: | | In Holland you can drink 'light' alcohol such as beer from the age of 16. Things like vodka and stuff from 18. I think that's ok, but over here, if you're 14/15, you can just buy beer at the supermarket, and they don't check your age. They're legally obliged to do that, but hardly any store does that. I think the age is ok, the government just has to put some charges if supermarkets don't check and sell it to younger people. |
In holland they hardly check the age eighter. Even at liqour stores they give Wines too 15 year olds.
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Starbuck
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| Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:06 pm |
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If something is legal it tends to lose its appeal. I do think that drinking should be legal at 18, I think marajuana should be legal, I think there shouldn't be an age limit on tobacco.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:15 am |
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We've got lovely complicated laws 
The legal age you can begin to drink alcohol is 5 years. This must be on private property, the drink must not have been bought for them (I'm still trying to figure out how that bit works...), and they cannot buy alcohol. Obviously, if a parent let a 5 year old drink to the point of being intoxicated, they could be charged with neglect. I agree with this law, as children who are brought up to respect alcohol are less likely to abuse it later. Still, Sammie's probably going to be a lot older than 5 before I let her try alcohol
At 16, you are allowed to drink beer, wine and cider with a meal purchased in a resturant. You are also allowed to buy liquour chocolates. You still can't buy alcohol from a bar or off licence (only from a resturant with your food), and you still can't have alcohol bought for you (again, I'm not sure entirely how that works). This was the age I started drinking alcohol for pleasure (and I found one glass of cider- my normal limit - improved my pool playing ). I think I had a glass of wine with a meal then as well, but can't remember that well. For the record, this is also the age you begin paying taxes if you work, and you're allowed to get married or join the armed forces with your parent's or guardian's permission. I think the legal voting age should be 16, or that 16 and 17 year olds shouldn't have to pay tax.
At 18, you're legally an adult. You're now allowed to buy any form of alcohol from a bar, off licence, pub, etc. You're allowed to drink in a pub or club, and although there are laws about what you're allowed to do you can pretty much drink as much as you like (which I don't agree with... but there's no law against alcoholism). Funnily enough, since I was 18 I've actually started drinking less- it's lost it's novelty factor, and I've not been well enough to drink.
I see nothing wrong with having the occasional alcoholic drink, and if children are brought up knowing about alcohol and they're allowed to try it for themselves they are much less likely to abuse it. Alcohol is a drug, and therefore should be treated as such, with both the benefits and drawbacks known about it. Just banning young people from drinking it is just going to make them more likely to want it.
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Birdy
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:04 am |
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| lionhead wrote: | | Birdy wrote: | | In Holland you can drink 'light' alcohol such as beer from the age of 16. Things like vodka and stuff from 18. I think that's ok, but over here, if you're 14/15, you can just buy beer at the supermarket, and they don't check your age. They're legally obliged to do that, but hardly any store does that. I think the age is ok, the government just has to put some charges if supermarkets don't check and sell it to younger people. |
In holland they hardly check the age eighter. Even at liqour stores they give Wines too 15 year olds. |
Yeah, I said Holland  We live in the same country, remember?
Exactly. Outrageous.
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Pan13
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:14 am |
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i did a lot underaged drinking, when i was 15 (now i'm 16, and for drinking you have to be 16 in germany), and i think it should stay forbidden, because it's not good (lol, funnily since i turned 16, i didn't drink anything), and kids can't exactly control it (they start to drink one beer, and then they start with something with more %)
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tycoon64
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:18 am |
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Alot of teen death in America involves alcohol and drugs.
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Alucard
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:51 pm |
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| Pan13 wrote: | | i did a lot underaged drinking, when i was 15 (now i'm 16, and for drinking you have to be 16 in germany), and i think it should stay forbidden, because it's not good (lol, funnily since i turned 16, i didn't drink anything), and kids can't exactly control it (they start to drink one beer, and then they start with something with more %) |
I started with vodka... must be different in Germany then.
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the leaves will fall
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:54 pm |
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I love to drink and I'm underage. It's more fun to be drunk!  In fact, just last night I got *beep* off some hennessey. I think the drinking age should be 5 years old.
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Alucard
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| the leaves will fall wrote: | | I love to drink and I'm underage. It's more fun to be drunk! In fact, just last night I got *beep* off some hennessey. I think the drinking age should be 5 years old. |
That's..... too low
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Theresa
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:12 pm |
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And that's exactly why the age limit is as it is...
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:37 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | If they moved the legal of age marriage, voting, driving, and serving in the armed forces up to 21, would it still be logical to decrease the drinking age to 18?
No, according to your argument. |
No, it wouldn't, because they can't do all those things. But the fact is they CAN, and therefore 18 year olds should be allowed to drink.
And 5 is WAAAAAAY too young. Try 13 years.
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Cathexis
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| Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:48 am |
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| the leaves will fall wrote: | | I love to drink and I'm underage. It's more fun to be drunk! In fact, just last night I got *beep* off some hennessey. I think the drinking age should be 5 years old. |
No comment.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:36 am |
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| lionhead wrote: | | I could imagine having every child on with a beer, drunk. Crime would double. |
You'd be suprised. Kids are going to drink wheather it is legal or not. If you lower the age limit things would probably be easier after a while.
Once you have full access to something it gets old after a while. I was alwyas drinkiing in high school ... When I turned 21 I was kinda over the whole drunken party scene. I go out with friends, get a drink or two ... sometimes party but it isn't anything close to my high school days.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:39 am |
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^ thats the whole problem, Immature teenagers are partying, and arer "over" it by legal age. back to what I was saying, (and no, not directed at anyone in particular) alot of the people that want it lowerd to a certian age, are that age them selves, and want to legally drink. Belive me, its not as cool as you think
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