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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:25 am |
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Birdy wrote: | This is SO bad. I can't believe they just shot him, basically for no reason. |
They didn't really shoot him for NO reason...
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:42 am |
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Um, the police have admitted they did...
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:49 am |
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Seven of Nine wrote: | Um, the police have admitted they did... |
Then why would they shoot him?
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Birdy Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 13502 Location: Here.
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:17 am |
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Founder wrote: | Seven of Nine wrote: | Um, the police have admitted they did... |
Then why would they shoot him? |
Yeah, well, I wonder too. The stated there was no real reason they shot at him, as you can read in that article I posted.
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magenta Commander
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 404 Location: AUSTRALIA
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:31 am |
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They shot him because they thought he had a bomb strapped to his body.He ran when they told him to stop,he had a hot large coat on when it was a warm day.They were on edge after a lot of innocent people had been blown up,they were under a lot of pressure.Shooting in the head is the only way[they were trained to do this]to stop them from detonating the bomb.So basically they were doing their job and what they were trained to do!
I dont believe they would do something like that on purpose for the world and onlookers to see if they didnt believe him to be a threat!
My condolences to his family on their loss!
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:22 pm |
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I suppose you didn't really read that article, I'll quote something for you: "was wearing a denim jacket, rather than a bulky coat as police had previously said."
This is sad, and I still think that those police did the right thing. They had to make a split second decision. One life, or a possible 100+? I personally don't see how anyone could hide a bomb under a denim jacket, though.
However, if the police chief did lie about this, then I think that yes, he should resign.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:32 pm |
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They could have confronted him at any point between his flat and the tube station, considering they followed him from there. I don't know what was going on, but this seems too much like a "we've got to show we're doing something" publicity stunt to me.
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magenta Commander
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 404 Location: AUSTRALIA
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:40 pm |
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:(Yeah scare tactics toward the suicide bombers,sad that a person had to die to prove it.
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lex Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:25 pm |
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magenta wrote: | They shot him because they thought he had a bomb strapped to his body.He ran when they told him to stop,he had a hot large coat on when it was a warm day... I dont believe they would do something like that on purpose ... |
That was the way the story originally ran, but it turns out that the guy was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky coat. Also, he'd been trailed from the point of leaving his home, and he was NOT running and did NOT jump the turnstile, as it turns out; in fact, he stopped to pick up a paper in the Tube station, and paid his fare with a pass card. He only began to run when he saw a train waiting on the platform - as most of us do, so we won't have to wait for the next one. There is really no excuse for what happened; the police made a major mistake and there's no getting around it.
That being said, I agree with you that they wouldn't do something like this "on purpose." No one - or at least no one that makes sense - is accusing the police involved in the shooting of that. There were apparently a series of blunders which, combined with the tense atmosphere, resulted in this poor man's death - that's not an EXCUSE, but, rather, a partial EXPLANATION.
What DOES seem to have been done "on purpose," though, is an attempt at a cover-up by the head of the police force, and an attempt to block an independent investigation into the incident. I suppose we'll learn more about this as the days go on.
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Jeremy J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 Posts: 7823 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:00 am |
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There isn't any hard evidence at the moment either way. It's all mixed up. I'm waiting until the enquiry comes out before I start deciding one way or the other.
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lex Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:19 pm |
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Well, actually, there IS hard evidence - for example: photos of the dead man, clearly showing that he was wearing only a light denim jacket, NOT the bulky coat, he had a passcard, which they now know he used to get to the train; he didn't jump the turnstyle, etc. And the police themselves admitted they'd made a series of blunders that led to the shooting, that they'd shot an innocent man. So there's not any debate going on at this point about whether this guy was a terrorist; it's been plainly stated by the police force itself that he was NOT.
The controversy that IS still going on, is, of couse, HOW something like this could have happened, and whether there was an attempt at a cover-up by the top brass in the Police Department. On that, the evidence is still coming in.
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