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| Adolf Hitler - November 9, 1921 wrote: | For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain German or we come under the thumb of the Jews. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. A well-organized group can conquer a strong enemy. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be victorious over the Jews.
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| Adolf Hitler - April 12, 1922 wrote: | And if we ask who was responsible for our misfortune, then we must inquire who profited by our collapse. And the answer to that question is that 'Banks and Stock Exchanges are more flourishing than ever before.' We were told that capitalism would be destroyed, and when we ventured to remind one or other of these famous statesmen and said 'Don't forget hat Jews too have capital,' then the answer was: 'What are you worrying about? Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free.'
Christian capitalism' is already as good as destroyed, the international Jewish Stock Exchange capital gains in proportion as the other loses ground. It is only the international Stock Exchange and loan-capital, the so-called 'supra-state capital,' which has profited from the collapse of our economic life, the capital which receives its character from the single supra-state nation which is itself national to the core, which fancies itself to be above all other nations, which places itself above other nations and which already rules over them.
The international Stock Exchange capital would be unthinkable, it would never have come, without its founders the supra-national, because intensely national, Jews....
The Jew has not grown poorer: he gradually gets bloated, and, if you don't believe me, I would ask you to go to one of our health-resorts; there you will find two sorts of visitors: the German who goes there, perhaps for the first time for a long while, to breathe a little fresh air and to recover his health, and the Jew who goes there to lose his fat. And if you go out to our mountains, whom do you find there in fine brand-new yellow boots with splendid rucksacks in which there is generally nothing that would really be of any use? And why are they there? They go up to the hotel, usually no further than the train can take them: where the train stops, they stop too. And then they sit about somewhere within a mile from the hotel, like blow-flies round a corpse.
These are not, you may be sure, our working classes: neither those working with the mind, nor with the body. With their worn clothes they leave the hotel on one side and go on climbing: they would not feel comfortable coming into this perfumed atmosphere in suits which date from 1913 or 1914. No, assuredly the Jew has suffered no privations!
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| Quote: | AND THE RIGHT HAS FURTHER COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THAT DEMOCRACY IS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT GERMAN: IT IS JEWISH. It has completely forgotten that this Jewish democracy with its majority decisions has always been without exception only a means towards the destruction of any existing Aryan leadership. The Right does not understand that directly every small question of profit or loss is regularly put before so-called 'public opinion,' he who knows how most skilfully to make this 'public opinion' serve his own interests becomes forthwith master in the State. And that can be achieved by the man who can lie most artfully, most infamously; and in the last resort he is not the German, he is, in Schopenhauer's words, 'the great master in the art of lying' - the Jew. And finally it has been forgotten that the condition which must precede every act is the will and the courage to speak the truth - and that we do not see today either in the Right or in the Left.
There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.
It is from the recognition of this fact, from recognizing it, I would say, in utter, dead earnestness, that there resulted the formation of our Movement. There are two principles which, when we founded the Movement, we engraved upon our hearts: first, to base it on the most sober recognition of the facts, and second, to proclaim these facts with the most ruthless sincerity.
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| Quote: | | 3. And in the third place IT WAS CLEAR TO US THAT THIS PARTICULAR VIEW IS BASED ON AN IMPULSE WHICH SPRINGS FROM OUR RACE AND FROM OUR BLOOD. We said to ourselves that race differs from race and, further, that each race in accordance with its fundamental demands shows externally certain specific tendencies, and these tendencies can perhaps be most clearly traced in their relation to the conception of work. The Aryan regards work as the foundation for the maintenance of the community of people amongst it members. The Jew regards work as the means to the exploitation of other peoples. The Jew never works as a productive creator without the great aim of becoming the master. He works unproductively using and enjoying other people's work. And thus we understand the iron sentence which Mommsen once uttered: 'The Jew is the ferment of decomposition in peoples,' that means that the Jew destroys and must destroy because he completely lacks the conception of an activity which builds up the life of the community. And therefore it is beside the point whether the individual Jew is 'decent' or not. In himself he carries those characteristics which Nature has given him, and he cannot ever rid himself of those characteristics. And to us he is harmful. Whether he harms us consciously or unconsciously, that is not our affair. We have consciously to concern ourselves for the welfare of our own people. |
| Quote: | And finally we were also the first to point the people on any large scale to a danger which insinuated itself into our midst - a danger which millions failed to realize and which will nonetheless lead us all into ruin - the Jewish danger. And today people are saying yet again that we were 'agitators.' I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.
Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited.
And through the distress there is no doubt that the people has been aroused. Externally perhaps apathetic, but within there is ferment. And many may say, 'It is an accursed crime to stir up passions in the people.' And then I say to myself: Passion is already stirred through the rising tide of distress, and one day this passion will break out in one way or another: AND NOW I WOULD ASK THOSE WHO TODAY CALL US 'AGITATORS': 'WHAT THEN HAVE YOU TO GIVE TO THE PEOPLE AS A FAITH TO WHICH IT MIGHT CLING?'
Nothing at all, for you yourselves have no faith in your own prescriptions.
That is the mightiest thing which our Movement must create: for these widespread, seeking and straying masses a new Faith which will not fail them in this hour of confusion, to which they can pledge themselves, on which they can build so that they may at least find once again a place which may bring calm to their hearts.
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| Adolf Hitler - September 16, 1919 wrote: | Dear Herr Gemlich,
If the threat with which Jewry faces our people has given rise to undeniable hostility on the part of a large section of our people, the cause of this hostility must be sought in the clear recognition that Jewry as such is deliberately or unwittingly having a pernicious effect on our nation, but mostly in personal intercourse, in the poor impression the Jew makes as an individual. As a result, antisemitism far too readily assumes a purely emotional character. But this is not the correct response. Antisemitism as a political movement may not and cannot be molded by emotional factors but only by recognition of the facts. Now the facts are these:
To begin with, the Jews are unquestionably a race, not a religious community. The Jew himself never describes himself as a Jewish German, a Jewish Pole or a Jewish American, but always as a German, Polish or American Jew. Jews have never adopted more than the language of the foreign nations in whose midst they live. A German who is forced to make use of the French language in France, Italian in Italy, Chinese in China does not thereby become a Frenchman, Italian, or Chinaman, nor can we call a Jew who happens to live amongst us and who is therefore forced to use the German language, a German. Neither does the Mosaic faith, however great its importance for the preservation of that race, be the sole criterion for deciding who is a Jew and who is not. There is hardly a race in the world whose members all belong to a single religion.
Through inbreeding for thousands of years, often in very small circles, the Jew has been able to preserve his race and his racial characteristics much more successfully than most of the numerous people among whom he has lived. As a result there lives amongst us a non-German, alien race, unwilling and indeed unable to shed its racial characteristics, its particular feelings, thoughts and ambitions and nevertheless enjoying the same political rights as we ourselves do. And since even the Jew's feelings are limited to the purely material realm, his thoughts and ambitions are bound to be so even more strongly. Their dance around the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all the possessions that we feel deep down are not the highest and not the only ones worth striving for on this earth.
The value of an individual is no longer determined by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the community, but solely by the size of his fortune, his wealth.
The greatness of a nation is no longer measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual resources, but only by the wealth of its material possessions.
All this results in that mental attitude and that quest for money and the power to protect it which allow the Jew to become so unscrupulous in his choice of means, so merciless in their use of his own ends. In autocratic states he cringes before the 'majesty' of the princes and misuses their favors to become a leech on their people.
In democracies he vies for the favor of the masses, cringes before 'the majesty of the people', but only recognizes the majesty of money.
He saps the prince's character with Byzantine flattery; national pride and the strength of the nation with ridicule and shameless seduction to vice. His method of battle is that public opinion which is never expressed in the press but which is nonetheless manages and falsified by it. His power is the power of the money, which multiplies in his hands effortlessly and endlessly through interest, and with which he imposes a yoke upon the nation that is the more pernicious in that its glitter disguises its ultimately tragic consequences. Everything that makes the people strive for higher goals, be it religion, socialism, or democracy, is to the Jew merely a means to an end, the way to satisfy his greed and thirst for power.
The results of his works is racial tuberculosis of the nation.
And this has the following consequences: purely emotional antisemitism finds its final expression in the form of pogroms. Rational antisemitism, by contrast, must lead to a systematic and legal struggle against, and eradication of, the privileges the Jews enjoy over the other foreigners living among us (Alien Laws). Its final objective, however, must be the total removal of all Jews from our midst. Both objectives can only be achieved by a government of national strength and not one of national impotence.
The German Republic owes its birth not the united national will of our people, but to the underhand exploitation of a series of circumstances that, taken together, express themselves in a deep, universal dissatisfaction. These circumstances, however, arose independently of the political structure and are at work even today. Indeed, more so than ever before. Hence, a large part of our people recognizes that changing the structure of the state cannot in itself improve our position, but that this can only be achieved by the rebirth of the nation's moral and spiritual forces.
And this rebirth cannot be prepared by the leadership of an irresponsibly majority influence by party dogmas or by the internationalist catch-phrases and slogans of an irresponsible press, but only by determined acts on the part of nationally minded leadership with an inner sense of responsibility.
This very fact serves to deprive the Republic of the inner support of the spiritual forces any nation needs very badly. Hence the present leaders of the nation are forced to seek support from those who alone have benefited and continue to benefit from changing the form of the German state, and who for that very reason become the driving force of the Revolution -- the Jews. Disregarding the Jewish threat, which is undoubtedly recognized even by today's leaders (as various statement from prominent personalities reveal), these men are forced to accept Jewish favors to their private advantage and to repay these favors. And the repayment does not merely involve satisfying every possible Jewish demand, but above all preventing the struggle of the betrayed people against its defrauders, by sabotaging the antisemitic movement.
Yours truly,
Adolf Hitler |
Why did Hitler hate the Jews?
| Quote: | | A story says that Hitler hated Jewish people because he was trying to get into an art college but the college said his art was not good enough. They said it was nasty becasue of the graphic images he painted. The college was owned by Jewish people and from that day on he hated them. There were also stories about his family but it tells the cheap story that his family told him evil things Jews did to "normal" people like them, but nothing has been proven. |
| Quote: | In the 1930s there was a lot of anti-jewish feeling and resentment in many countries. When Jews wanted to leave Germany in the early days of Hitler They were refused entry by these countries, France was particularly anti semitic but Britain and the U.S. were also. During the 1950s Hollywood even went to the lengths of making several movies illustrating this point, trying to educate the general public to the problem of Jewish people being refused hotel accomodation, membership of certain clubs etc. During the war Hitler took this common attitutde to the extreme of "the final solution". Fortunately we seem to now know better, I hope so anyway.
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| Quote: | Hitler's hatred of Jews came as a result of international Jewish financiers like the: Rothschilds,Oppenheimers, Bilderbergs, etc., that plunge the world into a war for their business profit.Germany's economy was hit the hardest.Furthermore,Hitler's future as an artist was ruined due to the majority of Jewish judges that were in the Academy of Arts in Vienna which had rejected him.These are the most important reasons why Hitler hated the Jewish race.
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| Quote: | Hitler's hatred of Jews came as a result of international Jewish financiers like the: Rothschilds,Oppenheimers, Bilderbergs, etc., that plunge the world into a war for their business profit.Germany's economy was hit the hardest.Furthermore,Hitler's future as an artist was ruined due to the majority of Jewish judges that were in the Academy of Arts in Vienna which had rejected him.These are the most important reasons why Hitler hated the Jewish race.
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Hitlers hate toward the Jews is due to the fact that he was rejected by a Jewish school of arts. It is said that sence then he has hated them. It is said that his parents told him that the Jews did bad evil things to people who weren't Jewish.
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After a lot of reading, I believe I know why Hitler hated the jews so much. As Hitler was growing up I don't believe he was racist, But adults around him may have been or else simply voicing their opinions about jewry in general. ie, greedy selfish ect.. NO CHILD IS RACIST, it's bred into them by those around them AND their life experiences. I think, that as hitler was growing up he became an idealist. From listing to Wagner and his dreams of becoming an artist, he must have been quite a passionate young man. If you went back in time to kill young Hitler, I don't think anyone could bring themselves to do it. Anyway if you did kill him and WW2 never happened when it did, it would have only come at a later time when nuclear weopons were fully developed and we would be living in a nuclear holocaust - We were ALL lucky that WW2 happened before Nuclear Technology. WW1 was never big enough to teach the world a lesson.
During WW1 hitler fought and Won the Iron Cross. The highest honour in Germany at the time. After WW1 - Germany was decimated. (Germany is back now as the most powerful country in EU - Economically that is)
After WW1 most germans lived in stark contrast to before the great war. Imagine having a million pounds only to see it worth One. The whole western world squashed Germany with debt repayments, destruction of their infrastructure and Humiliation.
I think this is the start of the series of events that was responible for hitler's hatred of the jews. Regardless if any jews did participate in WW1, Hitler held them responsible for Germany's downfall after it. He must have had his reasons. Also, his 5 years living in poverty in Vienna before WW1, must have been a factor. His experiences and perhaps those of others with Jews in general must have been a factor. Nobody hates or dislikes someone for NO reason. Their is always a reason.
In Ireland and in England, there is Still a general dislike of one and the other. If you visit the south of Ireland during the world Cup, England always gets booed, no matter who they are playing. The last time Ireland played england 10 odd years ago, we were beating them and the english fans ripped up the seats from the stands and the match got called off. Also, we have the IRA and the whole thousand year history of Ireland V England. Recently I was in England and was called a stupid paddy.
Look at Israel and Palestine now. Personally, I can see the Palestinian's point. I'm on their side. I'm not racist, but from where I'm looking, it looks like the Palentinians are being squeezed out by Israel (with American support of course) After WW2, the Jews were given Israel - by the united nations or the league of nations, I'm not sure how that came about. The Jews didn't have a homeland. They lost it a long time ago. Anyway, there are problems there now and that's a different matter than what I was originally talking about. But the point I was trying to make was that, there is a History and EXPERIENCE. If you know your history and your experience matches it, then It must be true.
Hitler was a sad product of the society he lived in. The world in he which lived was responsible for his actions. How many times have I seen tramps and homeless people spat on and kicked by people on their way home from clubs and parties. Did Jews spit on and Kick Hitler when he was living on the streets? Did the US spit on and kick the middle east? Why does a person like Osama bin Laden exist? Do american soldiers disrespect iranian's? do they?
Hitler hated jews for a whole number of reasons, his life experience told him so. But he wasn't the only one, a lot of germans and a lot of the whole world in fact, had a general dislike for jews. This is because of Generalising populations. Ie American's are stupid the Irish are drunks, the english are arrogant pigs, the germans are stiff, ect.. I have met germans, that like a good laugh and intelligent americans, decent english and sober irishmen.
If people weren't such *beep*'s to each other, we might all just get on. I'm tired now and it's late, so I would like to say more, but
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Hitler did not necessasrily hate Jews. He wanted to unifiy Germany and use it power to conquere Europe and create a german empire. What easier people to pick on? already there was much antisemitism for him to feed off of, and they didnt look "aryan" as he would say. In the end Hitler was a nut, but a farily competent politician and his campaign was not based upon some deep personal hatred but rather a means of political unification to fruther his plans.
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It is still debated by Historians what sparked Hitler's hatred for Jews. The most acceptable explanation for this was in the early days before he came to totalitarian power in 1933.
When he was young he was a competent art student and aimed to eventually make the Vienna Art College. He was rejected by the jewish leaders of the college because his paintings were too cold and the jews beleived art should not be painted in such a way. Hitler hated the jews for occupying the high positions in cultural society.
Later when Hitler fought in the war he was injured and was in hospital for prolonged periods. When he heard of Germany's defeat he like other soldiers beleived that Germany's loss was due to the jewish socialists who encouraged the November revolutions of 1918.
I am uncertain as to if these two were the sole causes of Jewish hatred by Hitler. He was also forced to find a scapegoat to prove Germany's defeat and to show that pure germans were the Aryan race. He blamed the jews for Germanys defeat in the first world war.
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Some people also say that Hitler was very close to him mom, and his mom's doctor was Jewish, so when his mom died, he blamed her doctor because she was unable to save her, and from that point on he hated Jewish people.
Hitlers hate for jews not only came from not being accepted into the Jewish art school but the fact that Jewish people were "taking normal peoples jobs". They were mad because the Jews were "taking over their jobs". He tried to convince people that that was what they were doing and he said that is not how they were supposed to be. He told them how people should be and he made the Jews sound bad for things that are not even bad.
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Hitler's background may have been Jewish unbeknownst to himself and apparently he made an effort to check it out. If it was, then he may have sensed a disturbing factor of this Zionist snake that had been trying to run the world in a so-called world takeover by the Hidden hand of some secret group all over the world. Unfortunately one cannot hide the color of one's skin, the tincture of the fleshly glow or the birth of obvious genetics and many people are blamed generally during bad times for things they are not part of, however, when a race or a nation or a large group of any kind participtaes with racism or world takeover matters everyone gets nervous. All things should be looked at in these hideous past occurrences and matters changed to decency. Even though unspeakable crimes were committed there is a responsility one all sides to change things positively for the future.so that all may benefit, not any racist methods. Something always disturbed me, why is a race a religion..can you release yourself freely to your principles and start again? The world belongs to all to find their own way.
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The real answer is quite complicated but it's foundation is simple conflict of different peoples based on behavior. This is as old as history itself. Most conflict and war arises out of two peoples with differing interests living in close proximity. The German/Jewish conflict was no different. For the most part the Jewish people have a very strong group collective mindset. They differentiate themselves very greatly from the majority in the nations they settle it. In the USA, it is no different. Type into the Google search engine "Jewish Organizations" and see how many hits you get. Do the same for "Catholic Organizations" or any others you can think of. Remember, that it is estimated that there are only around 13 to 15 million Jews in the whole world. Given a world population of 6.4 Billion, Jews are only around .002 of the world population.
What you have to ask yourself is how can such a small percentage of the population continue to not only survive for thousands of years but also to become powerful and influential on the world arena. There are only several ways for a people to sustain strength and be successful while a minority (outside of genetic predisposition to success). That is to discriminate against the majority and to undermine the majority. If the minority looks out for the majorities' interests then it decreases it's chance of survival. Not very hard to understand is it ?
This is a fundamental problem with different peoples living amongst each other. For the minority to flourish and succeed, the majority has to give ground. As you see, this can be related to the history of the negro and cuacasian in the USA. Such things as affirmative action, hiring quotes, promotion of organizations based on race...these are not in the interest of the caucasian majority.
As you see, the majority had to give ground so the minority increased in success. What happened in Germany was that Hitler struck back, although with maddening consequences. Initially, Hitler attempted an economic attack (e.g. boycott of Jewish business). This was a strike at their interests and they retaliated with information warfare (e.i. media, newspapers..etc). Tit-for-tat it went on and escalated until Hitler began to round up Jews and attempt to expel them from Germany en masse. This in itself is a disaster in the making, regardless of who plays the part. There are conflicting reports of wether or not there was a premeditated attempt at a systematic campaign to murder just Jews but it is no suprise that camps began to spring given the logistical nightmare of attempting to expel unwilling millions in as quick a time as possible. Starvation was by far the biggest killer of Jews within the camps. All this led to a disaster for all sides. No one won. Hitler, in essence crippled Germany, slaughtering not only Jews, but his own people. All together, more then 50 Million people perished in WWII. http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/ww2stats.htm
The sad things is, things aren't over. They are getting worst and more complicated again when it comes to the Jewish people. If you study history, their have been efforts by all the nations that hosted the Jewish people to expel them at some time or another. There is a pattern of behavior against majorities when it comes to the Jewish people. As a minority they want to be above (special laws that favor them, special interests etc.) the majority they live amongst, and that is a recipe for trouble. Minorities must give up their interests if they are to live among a majority in peace. That's just fundamental human behavior and psychology.
You should study some of the concepts I have outlined as they relate to events during the past half-century in the USA and current events in the Middle East.
That's about the best I can do for a quick answer to the question
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Short answer: Hitler may have been Jewish himself as rumours go, his mother's father was said to be a Jew, but he was not actually part of the family, and that could have gotten him mad at them but that's not all... He tried to get into an art school but was turned down, and the school was said to be run by Jewish people... Also Hitlers mom's doctor was said to be Jewish and when Hitlers mom died he felt resentment towards the Jewish doctor...But alot of the reason came from the people around him and politicians as he was growing up, he wanted Germany to be united and saw the Jewish people as people who were aginst Germany because of the different ideas that they had for life. He thought that it was all the Jews fault that there was apathy and anti-war feelings in certin places in Germany. So basicly he blamed them for everything
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because he was rejected by jewish leaders from the college of arts because his paints were not good enough, and also they were to cold and racist, so from that day on hitler hated to jews and went out of hes way to get them back.
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One of the main questions that has often vexed is why did Hitler hate the Jews so much. I believe the answer lies in the fact that Hitler wanted to bring mankind down to the level of the beast--he wanted to gratify the bestial desires of his Aryan superrace. However he was constrained by the presence of the Jews--who symbolised conscience and morality--Hitler himself said this. Furthermore in order to unite the German people, Hitler utilised Germany's disgraceful history of anti-semitism and depicted the Jews as being the source of all evil--nothing unites a people more than when they believe they are constantly under attack and fighting a common enemy.
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I was informed that one of the main reasons Hitler hated the Jew's was that in his youth he had slept with a Jewish prostitute and contracted syphillis. That's what my History teacher said, and when are they ever wrong.
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John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil" jesus speaking to the Jews - taken out of context by every race/hate/christian group.
also Jews were the biggest obstacle to conforming to Nazi ideals - a powerfull sect which he could never hope to penetrate or chanel in to the Nazi War machine.
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Two words- Balfour Declaration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_1917 Germans had no trouble with the Jews until the Balfour Declaration- which is, in brief, as follows: zionists promised to bring in the United States into WWI to defeat Germany. In short, german jews betrayed germany by helping defeat Germany in WWI by involving USA in the war. For that, they were given palestine. Read up on the Balfour Declaration. Germans had all the reasons to hate Jews. Which of course doesn't excuse the murdering of people just because they are a certain race/nationality. Someone call Israel and remind them of that. What the state of Israel is doing ot Palestinians is the same nazi crime that Israel so willingly accuses Germany of.
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Jews were generally disliked throughout history in many societies in Europe. This is thought to have been because they looked, acted and thought differently and followed different customs and in periods where people were not well educated this caused some suspicion. Also, Jews used to be very well-to-do and were money lenders and tax collectors and the like and this made people uncomfortable because they were a powerful group. These anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't have just disappeared, they would have permeated future societies including twentieth cemtury Europe. While Hitler may have hated Jews because Jews would not admit him to art school, it is more likely that he tried to harness the general dislike of Jews at the time to ingratiate himself with the German people. By using Jews as scape-goats for all the problems Germany was facing he was able to create an 'us' and 'them' atmosphere and sell himself as teh saviour. Germans were probably more than willing to pin the blame of their hardships resulting from the Depression etc on somebody. If you listen to his speeches you can see that Hitler does not really make sense but he's good at using emotive language and giving his audience what they want. German just wanted to feel better. After propogating this idea of Jews being the scum of the earth so passionately, Hitler may have deluded himself into believing it more deeply aswell and became more and more obsessed with destroying them.
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WHO WAS ADOLF HITLER?
So, Kitey, I look forward to you telling us the real answers.
(I made this topic since some other one got 'jacked for the billionth? time)
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| Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:51 pm |
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First : I feel that I shouldn't even dignify this with a thought out response in which I actually go through my books to argue, yet for some reason I'm doing it anyways 
Second: Since I have no proof other wise, I'll assume that this is from one source (I would like to see your sources, btw)
Third: This is very biased information. And some of it was written in first person (I'm not refering to the quotes) Encyclopedia articles and News articles are written in third person. 
Fourth: Hitler was infact a genocidal maniac, I don't deny that. There is evidence that he was abused by his father, surounded by racists, and had a neurological disorder.
And, just for the record, you can't take everything you read about Hitler seriously, I mean, there are people out there writing books about him and his homoerotic tendancies, and in relationships with Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess..... yet all three were married and two of them had children.
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| Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:54 pm |
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1. You are the Hitler proponent, and have hijacked many topics with such drivel, I merely gave you a forum in which to represent yourself.
1-A. I quoted from a site that is incredibly unbiased, they made sure to post several times that they were reporting facts only.
2. More than one source. And sure, no problem. (The third source, in case you missed it, is in fact a hyperlink).
3. Again, the quotes in the first part of the post were not biased. They were words spoken by Hitler himself. So yeah, I guess you could say there was some bias. Toward Hitler.
4. So what?
5. Also, so what? Being married automatically means you are monogamous? Besides, who cares who he was or wasn't sleeping with.
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[url=http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Where_did_Hitler's_hate_of_Jews_stem_from]SOURCE 2[/url]
And again, source three would be the hyperlink.
I'm failing to find why you think such a topic is beneath you. I merely quoted from Hitler himself, and then from other people who have spent many years studying him. I mean, you are 15?, and apparently very interested in him, and think he was misunderstood or something, and that the little good he did somehow means something..., so, chat away. Make your case, so that you can't go around calling the rest of us "uneducated", and if you do, it'd be because of your own failings.
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I don't feel that this topic is beneth me, the way you presented it makes me feel as if its beneth me. And my posting in this topic my knowledge of Hitler, is purposless, seeing as no one else will join in on this communication, and education is a two way street.
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And how do you know no one will say anything? They've replied before, and, it's never stopped a Kitey rant, Besides, take a look at how many people are reading this topic. They're interested. And they are as I am, awaiting a reasonable reply.
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Well then, where do you want me to start? Ask a question its easier to inform when one asks a question.
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How about you just tell me how he was like, "not so bad"? I have many more excerpts from his speeches. Words he spoke. He saved a struggling economy, and murdered millions. Funny, our economy was saved, and millions weren't murdered.
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| Starbuck wrote: | First : I feel that I shouldn't even dignify this with a thought out response in which I actually go through my books to argue, yet for some reason I'm doing it anyways
Second: Since I have no proof other wise, I'll assume that this is from one source (I would like to see your sources, btw)
Third: This is very biased information. And some of it was written in first person (I'm not refering to the quotes) Encyclopedia articles and News articles are written in third person.
Fourth: Hitler was infact a genocidal maniac, I don't deny that. There is evidence that he was abused by his father, surounded by racists, and had a neurological disorder.
And, just for the record, you can't take everything you read about Hitler seriously, I mean, there are people out there writing books about him and his homoerotic tendancies, and in relationships with Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess..... yet all three were married and two of them had children. |
Hitler did have mental problems. He had Parkinson's and was a speed addict (Obviously the latter was his own fault). And if you want his sexual tendencies, I recommend Eva Braun's diaries. Maybe he wasn't homosexual, but he had problems.
Not all neurotic people murder millions, not all Parkinson's patients do THAT, and the speed was his own fault. Many to most Nazis were on speed at the recommendation of Hitler. Hitler was abused, he did have a horrible childhood... but he was a cruel, horrible person, and I don't see how you can say any murderer is just fine. To take another person's life for no good, rational reason is sign of a severe brain problem. Does not justify it.
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Imigration policies these days are quite a bit different from the way they were back then. We have illegal imigrants, but we find them and deport them. Mexicans will work for less money than the common American will. Same thing back then. Jews migrated to Germany and took German jobs. They were a cheaper labor, and they took German jobs. Now, while there were MUCH better ways of taking care of the econonomic problems of a country than genocide, it was an effective means of taking care of the problem.
Hitler invented highways. Those lovely things that get us places faster, and enable us to get jobs farther away from our homes, which also allows many people to acquire work. Without Hitler we would have no highways, which have an effect on our economy, so in a way he did something for everyone. As you all should know, the first highway was the Autobhan.
Now, the Autobhan isn't the glorious "no speed zone" people think it is. The average speed limit on the autobhan is about 60 MPH. There are no limit zones, but not the whole thing.
He also helped with population control. I know this sounds horrible, but I can't think of any other way to put it. War is natures way of keeping the population within an acceptable limit, and the extermination of millions of people is actually vital to the survival of others.
In the Holocaust, not only were 6 million Jews killed, but 2 million Blacks, Roma, and Gays. And I would like to point out that Stalin exterminated 10 million Jews.
I'm not saying he's "not bad". I'm saying he did other things than kill 6 million Jews.
Any other questions?
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He also helped start Audi and Volkswagen car companies. I don't see any reason to cheer for minor innovations. Yeah, yeah, so they're not minor, but at the cost of that many lives, I'll wait a couple decades for a highway and a nicely-made German car.
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Nah. Hitler's an ass. And yay Syd, (who doesn't want to be as smart as Syd?  )
There is no excuse for what he did. No rationalizing it. And apparently that's all you are out to do, sooooooz, 
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I've read Eva Brauns diaries, I found them...... interesting...... if thats the right word. I also know that when Albert and Hitler were walking, and Albert left he would say "Heil Hitler" and Hitler would respond "Heil Speer"
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alright, my opinion:
adolf Hitler was a psychopath. Of course, nobody is born a psychopath. Adolf hitler was suffering from PTS, massivly. In my opinion that made him the man we all know him as. In the First world war he was in them iltary, when germany lost he was a coproral and sa his country be humiliated and defeated. During his gain of power in germany before the Second World War he was thinking quite straight, probably not realizing what he would set off. Then, he became blinded by power, he wanted Europe. He thought up the lie about Jews and let evrything else happen(the Genocide), just so he could gain power. He was a man that came too power thinking he was a God. The man had no social skills, never learned compassion and was quickly surrounded by death. His marraige was just a cover-up in my opinon, too let the German populatino se that their leader was caring man.
During the war his mental health deterriorated(sp?). He started become Paranoid, addicted, had a growing neurological disorder and none of that helped with his already dominating PTS. He became more and more of a monster.
He is not the only one responsible for the Gneocide, but he was a big part of it. Then never went to see the Concentration camps personally and he wan't there when the "final solution" was being planned but still he knew and agreed too it fully.
he was respondible for the War though. But most o the battle planning and militaristic actions where done by his Generals.
so, too wrap it up. I can understand why you can be interested in him, but seeing some of his more briliant plans as an excuse for the Genocide and his Dictatorship is unacceptable. It doesn't matter if he tought up the "Autobahn" and saved Germany's struggling economy. Sure, everybody knows what he did, but the bad kinda overwhelms the good.
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Hitler in simplicity... was a brilliant man in a position of absolute power. But we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. So he became an evil, corrupt brilliant man of absolute power.
And "he invented highways?" So? Oh... ok. I killed your mom but I baked some cake. Do you want some cake?
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And "he invented highways?" So? Oh... ok. I killed your mom but I baked some cake. Do you want some cake? |
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Adolf Hitler was very good at persuading people. You can't deny that. The things he persuaded people to do were simply awful.
Everyone talks about Auschwitz when they hear the words "concentration camp", but IMO Belson was much worse. In Auschwitz loads of people were gassed to death and thrown in mass graves. In Belson they just worked without food until they died of starvation or the cold.
I heard that he hated Jews because a Jewish doctor couldn't save his mother from cancer.
He was a very complicated figure, and most likely, incredibly mentally unwell.
However, when Germany was under his thumb it was a very, very efficient country...
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Interesting fact: Adolf Hitler was half jewish.
Byut anyway, like i said. Hitler can only be partially blamed for the Concentration camps so what happened there was not all his doing. It where the Evil minds of Heinrich Himmler and Adolph Eichmann which real ones behind the wohle thing. adolf hirlet wasn't there when the "Final Solution" was executed. And of course the people directly involved in the camps where also monsters.
Of course, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka where the first, and the worst. all located in poland.
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| madlilnerd wrote: |
Everyone talks about Auschwitz when they hear the words "concentration camp", but IMO Belson was much worse. In Auschwitz loads of people were gassed to death and thrown in mass graves. In Belson they just worked without food until they died of starvation or the cold.
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In auschwitz II most people where killed. Over one million.
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They were actually work camps, death was of course the end result, but they were work camps.
Hitler was a very caring and compassionate man, sure he didn't love everyone, but he did infact love Eva Braun. He called Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess his best friends.
The closes he came to actually killing someone in WWII was Erwin Rommel. He gave him the option to commit suicide, and his family would be taken care of, or he would be tried and his family wouldn't. Being the man that Erwin was, he commited suicide, and Hitler kept his word and took care of his family.
He was also a hypocrite. He once said in one of his speaches, in fact, I believe this was the speach that gained him power in Germany, that "If a country was failing, it was the peoples duty to over throw the ruler, and it was the rulers duty to step down and make way for someone who could restore ballance." well, when it came time for Hitler to step down because Germany was falling apart around him, he refused, and he was ready to destroy Germany.
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Hitler is a sick bastard of a psycopath, and I cant stand the fact that he rose to power and murdered millions. I hate what he stood for, and what he did. He was also a coward that killed him self at the sign of capture. he was a sad pathetic little man, and to say theres any good in him at all dishonors the soldiers that died to stop him.
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| Starbuck wrote: | They were actually work camps, death was of course the end result, but they were work camps.
Hitler was a very caring and compassionate man, sure he didn't love everyone, but he did infact love Eva Braun. He called Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess his best friends
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Work Camp, Concentration Camp, call it what you will. People were killed in all of them for no reason, and in many ways. Starvation, gas, some were shot, some froze to death. I'd call it a Death Camp, because as you say, that was indeed the end result.
Hitler was anything but a "very caring and compassionate man". He was a sick man, with very disturbed opinions. Just because he had two best friends and loved a woman does not make him a "very caring and compassionate man".
Either way, he's dead now, and the Nazi reign was crushed. Defending Hitler as a person, and defending what he did, is a dishonourable act. Many soldiers from around the world died to stop him and his allies.
If anyone is worth defending it's the German soldier, who did nothing but his duty - Like any other soldier.
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| Starbuck wrote: | They were actually work camps, death was of course the end result, but they were work camps.
Hitler was a very caring and compassionate man, sure he didn't love everyone, but he did infact love Eva Braun. He called Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess his best friends.
The closes he came to actually killing someone in WWII was Erwin Rommel. He gave him the option to commit suicide, and his family would be taken care of, or he would be tried and his family wouldn't. Being the man that Erwin was, he commited suicide, and Hitler kept his word and took care of his family.
He was also a hypocrite. He once said in one of his speaches, in fact, I believe this was the speach that gained him power in Germany, that "If a country was failing, it was the peoples duty to over throw the ruler, and it was the rulers duty to step down and make way for someone who could restore ballance." well, when it came time for Hitler to step down because Germany was falling apart around him, he refused, and he was ready to destroy Germany. |
The "work" part was just a cover-up for the surrounding population. The only work the prisoners did in the Extermination camps where pushing bodies into the ovens.
Sure, one or 2 camps where only used for slave labor, but its still slave labor. In any case, the women, old people and children where gassed and the men where put to work. The Germans also stole their possesions.
You don't know anything do you? The lcosest one he came too kill was an entire army and race.
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Herm...well..I could go into a HUGE, long-winded discussion about Hitler, but I think I'm just going to point one thing out.
My best friend's father is gay. Yes, it's true. He married and had a family of four kids, and then told his wife he had to leave her because the "gay phase" he thought he'd been in, hadn't dissapated and he didn't feel it was right to stay married, tho he'd tried his best to stay faithful to his wife and family.
Thus, so what about gay men having families? Many do.
Yeah, I'm done for now. LOL. Kitey already knows my views on Hitler.
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Hitler was a very caring and compassionate man, sure he didn't love everyone, but he did infact love Eva Braun. He called Albert Speer and Rudolf Hess his best friends.
The closes he came to actually killing someone in WWII was Erwin Rommel. He gave him the option to commit suicide, and his family would be taken care of, or he would be tried and his family wouldn't. Being the man that Erwin was, he commited suicide, and Hitler kept his word and took care of his family.
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So, let me get this straight. Becuase Adolf had two friends and actually loved a woman it makes everthing ok again?
Wow! What awesome choices Erwin had to choose from! Man, Hitler deserves honor and praise becuase he kept his word and took care of Erwin's family!
This seriously is so outragous. I can't believe some of the things people say/believe these days.
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, | Cathexis wrote: | Herm...well..I could go into a HUGE, long-winded discussion about Hitler, but I think I'm just going to point one thing out.
My best friend's father is gay. Yes, it's true. He married and had a family of four kids, and then told his wife he had to leave her because the "gay phase" he thought he'd been in, hadn't dissapated and he didn't feel it was right to stay married, tho he'd tried his best to stay faithful to his wife and family.
Thus, so what about gay men having families? Many do.
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