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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:23 pm |
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Discovery is coming home . The shuttle will be back at some point bedfore dawn.
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Birdy Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 13502 Location: Here.
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:49 am |
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Quote: | Discovery landing delayed
New Florida arrival set for 5:07 a.m. ET Tuesday
By Thom Patterson
CNN
Monday, August 8, 2005; Posted: 10:56 a.m. EDT (14:56 GMT)
KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Florida (CNN) -- "Unstable" weather conditions prompted NASA to scrub Discovery's scheduled landing Monday, the first space shuttle landing attempt since the Columbia disaster.
The next opportunity is scheduled for Tuesday at 5:07 a.m. ET at the Florida landing site.
"We just can't get comfortable with the stability of the situation for this particular opportunity. So we're going to officially wave you off for 24 hours," Ken Ham at Mission Control told the shuttle.
"OK, Houston we copy that. We'll be a wave off for today," responded shuttle Commander Eileen Collins. |
Read the whole article here.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:30 am |
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They are looking at again, at 2 am centeral time a go/no go will be decided.
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tycoon64 Cat Specialist
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 1128 Location: Lost where I can never be found
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:26 am |
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The shuttle came down safely today. They landed at Edwards Air Force base with out any problems. They said that the astronauts are going to stay inside for another hour until the shuttle cools down from the landing and coming in to Earths atmosphere. I am very happy they came down in one piece and no one got hurt.
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Cathexis The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001 Posts: 5901 Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:32 am |
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UPDATE:
(w00t they landed less than an hour away from me w00t!)
Discovery Lands Safely in California By ALICIA CHANG, Associated Press Writer
2 minutes ago
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. - Discovery and its crew of seven glided safely back to Earth on Tuesday, ending a riveting, at times agonizing, 14-day test of space shuttle safety that was shadowed by the ghosts of Columbia.
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Discovery swooped through the darkness of the Mojave Desert and landed on the Edwards runway at 5:11 a.m. PDT, well before sunrise. It marked the conclusion of the first shuttle re-entry since Columbia's tragic return.
The detour to California came after thunderstorms in Cape Canaveral, Fla., prevented the shuttle from returning to its home base.
"Congratulations on a truly spectacular test flight," Mission Control said once Discovery came to a stop. "Welcome home, friends."
"We're happy to be back and we congratulate the whole team for a job well done," Commander Eileen Collins replied.
The inherently dangerous ride down through the atmosphere � more anxiety-ridden than normal because of what happened to Columbia 2 1/2 years ago � appeared to go smoothly. No problems were immediately reported by Mission Control.
Held up a day by bad weather in Florida, the shuttle soared across the Pacific and over Southern California, passing just north of Los Angeles on its way to Edwards. NASA adjusted the flight path in order to skirt Los Angeles because of new public safety considerations in the wake of the Columbia disaster, which rained debris onto Texas and Louisiana.
Discovery's journey, which began with a liftoff on July 26, spanned 219 orbits of Earth and 5.8 million miles.
The switch to the opposite coast was a big disappointment for the astronauts' families, who had been waiting to greet their loved ones in Cape Canaveral. Their reunion was put on hold until Wednesday, when they all planned to meet in Houston.
NASA's top officials also had gathered at Cape Canaveral to welcome the crew home.
"There's nothing more that I would love to see than it here so everybody here could be a part of this. But it's not going to be," said shuttle program manager Bill Parsons. "I want it to be safe, wherever the safest place is to go."
NASA called it a test flight and it was � in an alarming way no one anticipated. A potentially deadly 1-pound chunk of foam insulation came off the redesigned fuel tank during liftoff, missing Discovery but demonstrating that the space agency had not resolved the very problem that doomed Columbia.
The foam loss prompted NASA to ground future shuttle flights.
Shuttle managers freely acknowledged the mistake, while stressing that the inspection, photography and other shuttle data-gathering systems put in place for this flight worked exceedingly well. What's more, no severe damage was detected on Discovery while it was in orbit.
A torn thermal blanket under a cockpit window was left as is, after engineers decided it posed little risk as re-entry shrapnel.
Two pieces of filler material dangling from Discovery's belly, however, were removed by a spacewalking astronaut last week, for fear they could lead to a repeat of the Columbia tragedy. The fabric strips slipped out of the narrow gaps between thermal tiles for reasons unknown.
NASA officials said a space shuttle will not fly again until the foam problem is solved and engineers understand why the two so-called gap fillers came loose.
Until the spacewalk to pull out the two protruding gap fillers, astronauts had never ventured beneath an orbiting shuttle or made repairs to its fragile thermal shielding.
"It's going to be a new beginning for the space shuttle program," NASA's spaceflight chief, Bill Readdy, said from the Cape Canaveral landing strip. "The approach that we've taken has to do with a very methodical series of flight tests. It's exactly the right approach.
"This was certainly the most documented flight in shuttle history," Readdy added.
The shuttle astronauts spent nine days at the international space station, restoring full steering capability to the orbiting outpost, delivering much-needed supplies and replacement parts, and hauling away a 2 1/2-year backlog of trash.
They successfully conducted three spacewalks, including one to test new tools and methods for fixing a damaged shuttle heat shield in orbit. They also pulled off some fancy new flying maneuvers, flipping Discovery end over end near the space station so its two residents could zoom in with cameras as part of the exhaustive search for shuttle damage.
Flight director LeRoy Cain said over the weekend that not only did NASA learn a lot about the shuttle with this mission, but "we've learned a lot about ourselves."
Following the Feb. 1, 2003, Columbia catastrophe, NASA revamped the way it managed a shuttle mission. The mission management team met daily while Discovery was in orbit, taking time to listen to dissenting opinions and encouraging them as well, according to its chairman, deputy shuttle program manager Wayne Hale. Every potential serious problem was analyzed by a team of engineers and, in the case of the ripped blanket, even prompted a series of wind tunnel tests.
Some accused the space agency of going too far to reach a group consensus and having "analysis paralysis." Shuttle officials denied that was so and said their intent was to put the astronauts' safety first no matter what, an assessment shared by Discovery's co-pilot, James Kelly.
"Just the fact that we're here means we don't have paralysis by analysis," Kelly said from orbit Sunday. "The folks on the ground have done an absolutely great job trying to take care of everything they possibly can."
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Today's official landing time was 8:11:22 a.m. EDT.
On the Net:
NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/main/index.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050809/ap_on_sc/space_shuttle_3;_ylt=AtPoQTr38lTTNcJKCGZycGkYAjMB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:06 pm |
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Whoo-hoo!
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:37 pm |
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We turned the TV on at work and watched it land. Very cool.
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 5672 Location: The United States of America
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:09 pm |
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Yeah well, I was going to watch it land at the Kennedy Space Center because that's how late I usually stay up (only during the summer, obviously) but then they changed it so I couldn't watch it without getting in trouble with my parents Oh well, at least they made it back safely.
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Cathexis The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001 Posts: 5901 Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:09 pm |
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I could've seen the landing had it not been so late....coulda drove over there but I couldn't get anyone to go with me.... I didn't want to go alone....the landing was just...inspirational.
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Otter Fleet Admiral
Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 12895 Location: England
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:35 am |
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I saw reruns of the landing But It's what happens regarding future flight that'll be next up..
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:11 pm |
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I would love to try and fly one of those shuttles.
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:35 pm |
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I still think it's time NASA developed a new reusable orbiter. The shuttle has done a lot in its service, but it's got so many inherant vulnerabilities and flaws that it will never be anything more than what NASA itself calls it: a test vehicle. I fully support space exploration, but I honestly think we can do better than the shuttle.
Note: as it stands, 1/57 shuttle missions have ended in destruction of the craft and death of the crew.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:53 am |
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Instead of having hundreds of tiny heat tiles, why can't they just have one large tile on the bottom shaped to the ventral of the craft?
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:53 pm |
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PrankishSmart wrote: | Instead of having hundreds of tiny heat tiles, why can't they just have one large tile on the bottom shaped to the ventral of the craft? |
And just where would they find a kiln big enough to fit a Shuttle into? Those are ceramic (silica) tiles, and they have to be fused in a 2,350 degree oven.
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Jeremy J's Guy
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:26 pm |
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Also if a few of the tiles are damaged, they can be replaced pretty easily, compared to a single large one. And at a much lower cost.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:49 am |
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webtaz99 wrote: | PrankishSmart wrote: | Instead of having hundreds of tiny heat tiles, why can't they just have one large tile on the bottom shaped to the ventral of the craft? |
And just where would they find a kiln big enough to fit a Shuttle into? Those are ceramic (silica) tiles, and they have to be fused in a 2,350 degree oven. |
Build a large enough oven?
Jeremy wrote: | Also if a few of the tiles are damaged, they can be replaced pretty easily, compared to a single large one. And at a much lower cost. |
Well one would assume one large tile would not break off like many tiny ones can be chipped off.
Of course the idea probally can't be implemented in reality, was just making conversation..
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webtaz99 Commodore
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:52 am |
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Also, the tiles are white. They look black because they are coated with a heat -resisting material. I know this sounds wierd, but the tiles are only an insulator, and the thin black layer actually resists the heat. So any small nick in the coating will grow larger during re-entry. If the nick is big enough, the tile will burn through, and I think we all know what that means.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:54 am |
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What about having two layers of tiles?
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webtaz99 Commodore
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Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:30 am |
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If you mean two layers of the same thickness, the answer is "It would be too heavy". If you mean two layers each 1/2 as thick, the answer is "It takes the full thickness of the current tiles to insulate the Shuttle".
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Otter Fleet Admiral
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Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:51 am |
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PrankishSmart wrote: | Instead of having hundreds of tiny heat tiles, why can't they just have one large tile on the bottom shaped to the ventral of the craft? |
indeed, was thinking the same..
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webtaz99 Commodore
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Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:11 am |
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For all the knocking of NASA, people need to understand a couple of things:
1) They do the best they can with what they have. The tile-based method was designed in the late 70's. Of course they could do better with more modern materials and techniques.
2) The people who work for NASA are (for the most part) VERY smart and VERY dedicated. It's the management and the politicians which have caused most of the problems.
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