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jonathan95
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 Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:21 am CS gas used to stop disco fight |
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| Quote: | CS gas used to stop disco fight
Police sprayed CS gas to control a group of people brawling outside a junior disco in Greater Manchester.
The gas was used when two officers were injured trying to break up the fight that also involved wedding party guests at Altrincham Leisure Centre.
A number of youngsters at the event - a Candy Club social night for under 16s - were also injured in the mayhem on Saturday night, said police.
Six teenagers were arrested on suspicion of public order offences.
It was total chaos. You don't expect anything like this to ever happen
Amy Clark, Candy Club organiser
They included a 13-year-old boy and a 15-year-old girl.
Two men, aged 19 and 21, were given fixed penalty notices.
Three men, two aged 19 and a 21-year-old, were arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage.
The nine people who were arrested, all from Greater Manchester, were released on bail until 23 August pending further inquiries.
In response to the violence organisers of the Candy Club - aimed at teengers, with no alcohol - have decided to stop holding the monthly event.
Minor injuries
It is thought the fighting started shortly before 2300 BST after a clash between teenagers at the disco and wedding guests.
A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said: "At the end of the disco a large group of youths congregated in an area close to the exit.
"A fight then broke out and officers were called. Other children leaving the leisure centre then became caught up in the altercation.
"Two officers suffered minor injuries and CS gas had to be used to bring the crowd under control."
'Crying hysterically'
Amy Clark, one of the organisers, said: "Some of the children were injured. They were really, really traumatised by what happened. Some of the girls were crying hysterically.
"It was total chaos. You don't expect anything like this to ever happen.
"We lay these events on once a month so the kids can enjoy themselves and have a dance. But we are never going to do it again."
Leisure centre chief executive Bernie Jones said: "In the melee lots of other people who were in the vicinity joined in. Some of them may have just been passing by."
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shesh and to think they say kids are getting more vilent, just makes you wounder,
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webtaz99
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| Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:57 pm |
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Before anybody freaks out, CS is just plain old "tear gas".
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Dirt
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| Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:55 am |
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Plain old? Like it's nothing, kinda silly to say something like that. 
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webtaz99
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| Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:22 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Plain old? Like it's nothing, kinda silly to say something like that. |
My point is that cops have been tossing it at people for over 40 years, but the press tries to scare us by sayinig "CS gas".
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Dirt
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| Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:38 am |
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Well, according to amnesty it's not as innocent as it seems. But that be offtopic...
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Seven of Nine
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| Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:55 am |
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No... not trying to scare... I just don't ever hear it called tear gas where I'm from
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Starbuck
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| Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:55 pm |
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This could have been a lot worse...
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:30 pm |
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I agree, if they didn't break up the fight, people could have been killed. Should we all blame the police for following procedure, and quite possibly saving lives?
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Dirt
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| Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:01 am |
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Actually, one of the problems with teargas is that there are no clear procedures on how and in what situations to use them.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:32 pm |
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They use it all the time when things escalate to violence, and the police can't handle the crowd. It seems to be procedure to use it then, as it happens all the time.
But anywho, care to show us how you know this (for the UK)?
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Jeremy
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| Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:45 pm |
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(He's Netherlandish, not UKish, )
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:12 pm |
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I know, but he seems to know all the UK's laws; since he said there isn't a procedure and all. And this article is about an event in the UK.
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webtaz99
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| Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:32 am |
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This kind of bureaucratic nonsense ticks me off. Why does there have to be a "procedure" or "policy" about evey little thing?
Cops are human beings. They are capable of judgement calls. I am willing to bet the "procedure" for CS goes something like, "Use it if you think you have to."
Sometimes cops are wrong. But no one should criticize them unless they are willing to do the same job.
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Dirt
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| Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:44 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | This kind of bureaucratic nonsense ticks me off. Why does there have to be a "procedure" or "policy" about evey little thing?
Cops are human beings. They are capable of judgement calls. I am willing to bet the "procedure" for CS goes something like, "Use it if you think you have to."
Sometimes cops are wrong. But no one should criticize them unless they are willing to do the same job. |
They are there so the police doesn't make mistakes or makes wrong use of their power. Everyone has the right to critisise them, as they are payed for with your tax money. But seriously, the public and soceity have a role controlling the police too, if they do something wrong people should step up and say "That's wrong". Know what I mean vern?
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webtaz99
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| Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:57 am |
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No matter how many policies or procedures get written, cops are still human beings out on the street. And in a tense situation, no one consults the manual. They WILL occasionally make mistakes. They DO occasionally abuse their power. This does not make them unique amoung other groups of people (like politicians, businessmen or clerics).
I am not saying there should not be policies or procedures, I am just saying that it's ridiculus to think that people (much less cops) need micro-management.
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