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 Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:20 am Man shot dead by police at London subway station |
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| Quote: | Man shot dead by police at London subway station
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Officials say a man shot dead by London police at a subway station is "directly linked" to the anti-terrorist operation, one day after fresh attacks on the city's transit system.
Meanwhile, emerging details shed light on the suspects in the fresh attacks on the city's transit system.
"The information I have available is that this shooting is directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation," London Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said at a news conference on Friday.
"The man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."
Passengers said they saw a man run onto a train at Stockwell station.
They said plainclothes pursued him, that he tripped and police then shot him.
"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp.
"He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified."
Whitby noted that the man "looked out of place" because he was wearing a heavy winter coat in summer.
According to The Scotsman, police have been given orders to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb.
Police shed light on Thursday's attacks
On Friday, police continued their hunt for four would-be suicide bombers, who are believed to be at large in Britain.
They released closed-circuit television images of four suspects who they believe to be behind Thursday's attacks.
Witnesses have described seeing men fleeing several of the blast sites.
Commuter Abisha Moyo described hearing a bang and seeing a man lying atop a smoldering backpack on the floor of his Warren Street station subway carriage in central London.
"He had his eyes shut and there was a puff of smoke coming from the bag," Moyo was quoted as saying by the Daily Mail newspaper.
In west London, police ordered residents around Harrow Road to stay off the streets.
One witness in the area said he saw remote-controlled trucks and a huge police presence.
"There's what looks like a bomb disposal-type vehicle, armoured, and there's several armed officers around it," Houst Monfaradi told BBC television.
"As we speak, there are two further addresses being entered by Metropolitan Police officers in connection with this investigation," Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman said at Friday's news conference. There were no further details.
Elsewhere, witnesses reported that police surrounded a mosque in east London after a bomb threat.
"Someone phoned our director and said there was a bomb inside," Mohammed Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque, told The Associated Press.
The police lifted the cordon about an hour later. The incident appeared to be unrelated to Thursday's explosions.
Hayman also shed light on Thursday's attacks, which have been shrouded in confusion until now.
He indicated that examinations show "that a bomb partially detonated at each of the four sites."
"It is believed that the devices consisted of homemade explosives and were contained in dark-colour bags, or rucksacks (backpacks). At this stage, it's too early to tell how these were detonated."
Britain's Press Association news agency quoted anonymous sources as saying investigators were working on the belief that the bombs were not properly primed - a factor that limited the damage.
"Yesterday's incidents do bear similarities to the bomb attacks in London on July 7, insomuch as there were three underground trains and a bus that were targeted," Hayman said.
While the blasts bore an eerie resemblance to the deadly attacks just two weeks ago, there was a marked difference -- there were no casualties.
Police have said the only person who was reportedly injured suffered an asthma attack.
Group claims responsibility
Meanwhile, a statement posted Friday on an Islamic website in the name of an al Qaeda-linked group claimed responsibility for the blasts.
The group, Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade, also claimed responsibility for the July 7 bombings, which killed 56 people, including the four suicide bombers.
However, the authenticity of the statement could not be verified.
"Our strikes in the depths of the capital of the British infidels our only a message to other European governments that we will not relent and sit idle before the infidel soldiers will leave the land of the two rivers," said the statement.
The "two rivers" in the statement appears to refer to Iraq's Euphrates and Tigris rivers.
Experts have noted the group has no proven track record of attacks.
Two men who were detained on Thursday were both later released without charges. |
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:45 am Re: Man shot dead by police at London subway station |
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| Quote: | They said plainclothes pursued him, that he tripped and police then shot him.
"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp.
"He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified." |
Now thats frightening.
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:55 am |
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Some of the eyewitnesses said he had wires showing under his coat... I'll see if I can find a report- it was on the telly.
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madlilnerd
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:13 pm |
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One eyewitness said that he looked really harmless... but eyewitnesses can't be trusted these days.
Armed police are swarming everywhere. Good times, good times. 
Oh, and BTW it's not "subway" it's underground. Subway make sandwiches (well, subs).
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:17 pm |
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Glad to hear Brittish police are carrying firearms, God only knows how many lives we saved by them today. Anyway, I'm really impressed with the resiliance and effeciency of our friends across the pond in these trying times.
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:59 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Some of the eyewitnesses said he had wires showing under his coat... I'll see if I can find a report- it was on the telly. |
Yeah.. I heard that too. That would be a very good explanation for what happened, I can't imagine cops shooting people that are running and suddenly trip... right?  
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:04 pm |
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Wonderful...the bobbies are on the hunt! Yeah, well...I think they're trying to assure Londoners, as well as the rest of the world, that they're not just going to let these people step into the transportation systems and blow everyone up just to make a statement.
It's times like these when I start to believe we really need to start a World Government and go Trek lol
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Theresa
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:35 am |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | One eyewitness said that he looked really harmless... but eyewitnesses can't be trusted these days.
Armed police are swarming everywhere. Good times, good times.
Oh, and BTW it's not "subway" it's underground. Subway make sandwiches (well, subs). |
Let's not get into language differences, ok? That'd just be stupid.
And if eyewitnesses can be trusted when Italians run a roadblock in Iraq, eyewitnesses can be trusted in this situation, too. Though I know you'll continue to believe the ones you want to, and disbelieve others.
Still haven't seen any proof as to wires or anything. So as far as we know, they shot a suspect lying on the ground.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:49 pm |
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| Quote: | Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.
A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.
The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.
Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.
The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.
"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.
"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a house in Tulse Hill that was under surveillance.
His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
Arrests
Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.
The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.
Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.
The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.
Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.
CCTV images
Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.
Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.
Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.
The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.
They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.
The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.
Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:23 pm |
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| Quote: | | Glad to hear Brittish police are carrying firearms |
Well I'm not! They have projectile tasers now that fire a dart that electrocutes you, stunning you. Why can't they carry them instead of guns? Guns are so... so Philistine, so barbaric.
This morning, me and my brother had an interesting conversation:
Me: Don't you think it's frightening that terrorists with an explosive device the sound of a golf ball can kill so many people?
My brother: Actually, no, that's not frightening. What's frightening is the fact that the government can listen to all your phone calls without a search warrant to check for "keywords". I'd rather live in a country where every other bus blows up, than in a place where the government hears every word I say.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:14 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | Quote: | Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed. |
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What a bad and sad mistake. Stupid mistake. I guess the police in London isn't so calm about the bombings after all. 
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:48 pm |
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| Birdy wrote: | | charmed88 wrote: | | Quote: | Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed. |
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What a bad and sad mistake. Stupid mistake. I guess the police in London isn't so calm about the bombings after all. |
Here's my question; why didn't the guy stop? Why did he run from police, even after he knew they would shoot.
He may not have been connected to the bombings, but he could've saved his own life, nobody else to blame.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:51 pm |
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I agree the cops did everything they had to do. I don't blame them at all.
Theresa reminds me of an interesting point. I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I noticed the Liberals and foreign nations aren't saying much about this. I gurantee you if this happened in America or by American troops in another country, they would be like "Oh what the hell!? America is evil! They are racists! Blah blah blah blah blah."
I think those men were trying to save lives IMO. Just like our troops.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:10 pm |
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I agree also. The cops did what they had to do. If the man was not guilty he should not have ran in the first place. Cops are there to protect .
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Theresa
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:51 pm |
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Unless of course he didn't speak english and saw it only as men running after him with guns,  Who knows. It is very sad.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:55 pm |
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That is also true, I didn't think of that lol.
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| Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:59 pm |
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Also keep in mind, the cops were in plainclothes at the time. Even if they announced they were police, I can imagine running from people in street clothes pointing guns at you on pure instinct. Eyewitness reports do suggest he was pretty damn terrified at the time.
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:07 am |
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This always seems to be a problem. Anyone remember that happening in America. It wasn't the exact situation, but similar. A man that was from Africa I believe, was accosted by cops. He couldn't speak English and tried to pull out his wallet to show them who he was. They shot him, thinking he was pulling out a gun. Its sad when that happens...
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madlilnerd
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:12 am |
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Which is why cops should have projectile tasers or tranquilisers. A guy got shot dead in England before, because he had a gun shaped cigarette lighter.
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:31 am |
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That�s terrible! And half a dozen shots sounds like... overkill (no pun intended).
One shot to a leg would have immobilized the suspect. Either that, or tazers, which sound like very promising tech.
The terrorists are going to win from the law enforcement officers own stupidity!
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Here's my question; why didn't the guy stop? Why did he run from police, even after he knew they would shoot.
He may not have been connected to the bombings, but he could've saved his own life, nobody else to blame. |
Did he know? How would you know? They captured him, they practically shot him in the back, sorta speak. I think it's a big mistake from the police. Of course, he could've stopped. But still.
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:14 pm |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | That�s terrible! And half a dozen shots sounds like... overkill (no pun intended).
One shot to a leg would have immobilized the suspect. Either that, or tazers, which sound like very promising tech.
The terrorists are going to win from the law enforcement officers own stupidity! |
I wouldn't say they are stupid. They were on high alert and very paranoid at the time. Everyone over here is all "We come in peace, shoot to kill!" at the moment.
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:57 pm |
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This is a very sad situation  . It probably could of been prevented but mistakes do happen in extreme circumstance
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| Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:00 pm |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | That�s terrible! And half a dozen shots sounds like... overkill (no pun intended).
One shot to a leg would have immobilized the suspect. Either that, or tazers, which sound like very promising tech.
The terrorists are going to win from the law enforcement officers own stupidity! |
I think they shoot to kill primarily because of the risk of suicide bombers. You shoot a guy in the knee, he might still explode himself (possibly not the most politically correct way of putting it, I don't know).
As for tazers, as far as I know they're only short range and I assume that if you're going to have to take someone down, you need to be able to do it fast just in case. Putting your tazer away and then drawing your gun is going to take time so I assume the guns are just carried as 'standard'.
Similarly, a gun is a symbol of power. You pull a gun on someone then I would say that they are far more likely to stop. They recognise the gun for what it is. Sure a Tazer might drop them but it wouldn't carry the same connotation.
Of course in this case, it might've worked the other way round, with the guy running because of the guns.
All I can say is that he must have been acting very strangely at the time though mistakes will happen. Having said that I don't know how I would react to having guns pulled on me.
Similarly I don't think that it's a case of the police not being 'calm' as Birdy put it. Simply that with one bombing and another attempted bombing exactly a week apart, understandably the police and anti-terrorist organisations are on a heightened state of alert and as such can't afford to take chances.
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madlilnerd
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| Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:28 am |
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The guy did jump the ticket barriers, and the police have been saying they'd crack down on fare evaders... 
There's a possibility that he didn't hear them shout "Police!" whenv he was running. When your running, especially on adrenaline, it's very hard to hear or decipher anything.
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