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Theresa
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No, really, I didn't. You're saying it's ok to do things to certain people because they may potentially be a threat. That's wrong.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:11 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | No, really, I didn't. You're saying it's ok to do things to certain people because they my potentially be a threat. That's wrong. |
No, it's not wrong. And all I'm saying is simply monitor them, and when they're cleared, stop. There is nothing wrong with them when people all over the world are dying because of the actions of these Islamo-Fascists.
Look, it looks like the London terrorists were HOME-GROWN. HOW do you think they got this philosophy, hmmm? Okay, let's let more people become perverted by this perversion of the Religion of Peace! Let's not do anything to watch for this! 
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:26 am |
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I never said "do nothing",  I'm saying you can't take away personal liberties. And you can't be invasive. I can see all of the "unlawful invasion" lawsuits now.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:27 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | I never said "do nothing", I'm saying you can't take away personal liberties. And you can't be invasive. I can see all of the "unlawful invasion" lawsuits now. |
That's why you make it a part of the Patriot Act. And I'm not saying take away personal liberties any further--=unless they're proven to be supporting terrorists.
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Seven of Nine
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RM, you've scared me. If your views are consistant with that of even a small amount of other Americans, then I worry about you. Such policies might be ok in Islamic countries, but here in Britain it's considered intolerable. The police are already monitoring Mosques with suspected terrorist connections, and have even raided them in the past, but they're not allowed to watch Mosques without a solid reason, nor should they be allowed to. Although we are a Christian country, we try to be tolerant of other religions, and in most cases this has worked.
This level of racism is awful, and if we're going to lock people up pre-emptively, you should be the person locked up.
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^First of all, it is NOT racism, damn it! I have no God-damn thing against the every-day Muslim, damn it!!!!!!!!!! Stop putting GOD DAMNED things into who I am! I am not a son of a bitch/bitch that racist jack asses are--I simply want improved security! Some terrorist cells are not even KNOWN and wouldn't be known unless we had a mosque watch to watch for them. This idea that I should be locked up is also ludicrous. Yes, a proportional few Americans support Mosque watches--but some go as extreme as I was before, when I was saying we should block up their free speech and they believe that all Muslims should go into internment camps, regardless. I am FAR from that, and do NOT believe in shutting down a religion that has been perverted by only a minority of its members. I just believe that we have to make sure that there aren't cells that we do not know about training terrorists under the shelter of freedom of religion, etc. I am disgusted entirely about that last sentence. I hate you now. Hate you.
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:47 am |
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::calms down::
Whoa, whoa. I've stepped back a moment. I apologize. I do not hate you. I was furious there, because I know that I am NOT a racist and HATE when I am called a racist. Plus, there is no reason for locking me up--I do not intend on enforcing anti-terrorism, nor am I a terrorist myself. I just want solid security to prevent the expansion of terrorists, but I have NOTHING against the ordinary Muslim. They are good people with a strong religious faith.
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Theresa
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Um. You are still going to receive a warning for that. I mean, you typed it all out, it's not like you said it verbally. You had time to calm yourself. If you were that angry, you should have stood up and walked away.
Say bye bye to WN for awhile. No, I don't know how long, so don't ask.
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Hitchhiker
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| Quote: | "Mr. Gorbechav, tear down that wall!"
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Indeed. We should be tearing down walls, not building them.
There are some Quebec separatists who really don't like Canada. I'm not sure if they shout "Death to Canada" but I wouldn't be surprised. But we're not going to lock them up or even monitor them--they're perfectly allowed to shout "Death to Canada." It's when something happens that we get worried.
We don't want another October Crisis on our hands.
The film Minority Report scared me. In that film, they go around arresting people for murders that they will commit. Being one who doesn't believe in predeterminism (because even if it exists, obviously I'm just predetermined not to believe in it, so I might as well not believe in it), I think that the future is only a possibility, because we're human. Humans are not god. Humans are not omnipotent. And because we're human, we make mistakes.
As regrettable as it may seem, we cannot go around jailing people until after the fact. It would be wonderful if we could come up with better methods of preventing crimes without limiting civil liberties--I'm all for it--but because we're human, and because we live a linear existence, then jailing people for things they may do starts to step out of bounds.
Monitoring people is called "paranoia" and violates their privacy. Both paranoia and privacy violation are signs that the State has started to fear its people, which is bad--because a democratic State is its people. The Enemy of the State should never be the people, in any shape, way, or form, because once this happens, corruption is bound to bring down the civilized State.
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madlilnerd
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Us christians are not violent, the true ones anyway. The ones that call themselves christian and don't really act like christians then you worry. |
That's true with Muslims too. It says in the Quoran (sp?) that killing is wrong. It says that a man should protect his wife, not beat her.
The problem with religion is that it's all down to interpretation. The bible says "Put on the helmet of salvation and become a warrior for God" and there's loads of mentions of wars that God "told people to commit" in the bible, whether it was against the philistines, Caanites etc...etc...
So, I could go out and kill a prostitute and say I just abolishing evil for God (which is what some serial killer did. "god" told him to go out and kill prostitutes, so he did. Then he raped their bodies, threw them in a canal and gave their jewellery to his loving wife). All down to interpretation. Which part of a holy book do you find more appealing, the bit which says "love your neighbour as you love yourself" or "and eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"? And if you hate yourself, can you hate your neighbour too?
| Quote: | | Monitoring people is called "paranoia" and violates their privacy. Both paranoia and privacy violation are signs that the State has started to fear its people, which is bad--because a democratic State is its people. The Enemy of the State should never be the people, in any shape, way, or form, because once this happens, corruption is bound to bring down the civilized State. |
It people like you that stopped me from killing myself. Long live intelligence (intellect, not the CIA type of intelligence).
We cannot watch every Mosque, Church, Synagogue and Gudwara in the country. We do not have the police for that. And as for saying that Christians aren't terrorists... well, ever heard of the IRA?
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