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IntrepidIsMe
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I was trying to make the point that it isn't exactly fair to be singleing out and spying on people who're performing a religious act, simply because some people of their religion are extremists. They're constantly denouncing them.
And if anybody should be checked, it is people in uniform. Do you know how many women have been raped for trusing people in police officer uniforms? There is even a law now where you're allowed to keep driving to a police station, if a marked car is behind you, trying to pull you over.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:48 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | I was trying to make the point that it isn't exactly fair to be singleing out and spying on people who're performing a religious act, simply because some people of their religion are extremists. They're constantly denouncing them.
And if anybody should be checked, it is people in uniform. Do you know how many women have been raped for trusing people in police officer uniforms? There is even a law now where you're allowed to keep driving to a police station, if a marked car is behind you, trying to pull you over. |
Military uniform--full and real. And no, it's NOT unfair. Although it's a minority, it IS MUSLIMS who are against us in this war, NOT other groups. And besides, I have YET to hear a Muslim organization denouncing this, unlike Christians with the abortion extremists. Please, give me more than 10 groups denouncing them. Bet'cha can't, while almost ALL Christians denounce the anti-abortion extremists carrying out the occasional bombings and killings etc.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:51 pm |
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Didn't the new Iraqi and Afghan governments just denounce them? I'm not searching for 10 groups, sheesh. But, whatever you want to believe.
And right there is a reason to watch Christians. Theres more violent christians in this country than there are muslims.
And yes, its easy to come by uniforms.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:03 pm |
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No, there AREN'T more extremest Christians than extermist Muslims in this country. There have been many terror cells found in the US, COMING from mosques. Where are terrorists usually recruited? MOSQUES. And yes, Iraq and Afghanistan and a few countries, but in the US? No one, although I'm sure that most people disagree with it. But nonetheless, consider the enemy and what they're doing around the world--that should be enough reason for a mosque watch. If there were something like this done by Christians, I wouldn't be too disagreeable with a Churchwatch. But that's NOT the case, and so for better security, just having somebody WATCH the proceedings is what we should do--not do anything more. Just keep an eye on them, to STOP the breeding of extremist islamo-facists.
And because of politics, abuse at Gitmo and Abu Graihb are replacing the true situation at hand.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:23 pm |
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Haha, breeding.
It seems to me that there has been more violence lately from prolife groups than from terrorists in the US, and over a longer period of time. But, I guess I could deal with a watch, but I don't think that its really necessary.
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:25 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | And right there is a reason to watch Christians. Theres more violent christians in this country than there are muslims. |
Are you being serious....?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:33 pm |
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Us christians are not violent, the true ones anyway. The ones that call themselves christian and don't really act like christians then you worry.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:33 pm |
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Haha, I mean about pro-life. In general, theres been more prolife violence than terrorism from outside the US. Or at least if you look back, it seems that way. Although I do agree, here and now, anti-US terrorism is more important.
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Leo Wyatt
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oh ok. You mean about abortions prolife. I may be against abortions I never be violentlol I guess some can get nasty. Glad I am not one of them.. People get out of hand I do agree. sorry for misunderstanding you .
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:30 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Haha, I mean about pro-life. In general, theres been more prolife violence than terrorism from outside the US. Or at least if you look back, it seems that way. Although I do agree, here and now, anti-US terrorism is more important. |
Well good, so you agree with me then. And I see your point that over a longer period of time there have been more SMALL attacks, but the big ones are why.
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:56 am |
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Let's take a look at this.
| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | And right there is a reason to watch Christians. Theres more violent christians in this country than there are muslims. |
| Republican_Man wrote: | | No, there AREN'T more extremest Christians than extermist Muslims in this country. |
You're probably both right. There aren't more extremist Christians. But there are more Christians of any sort.
According to the 2001 census, 0.6% of the United States population identified themselves as Muslim, compared to the 79.8% who identified themselves as Christian. 
| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Us christians are not violent, the true ones anyway. The ones that call themselves christian and don't really act like christians then you worry. |
The exact same thing could be said for Islam. "Muslims are not violent, the true ones anyway. The ones that call themselves Muslim and don't really act like Muslims, then you worry."
Now, I hear the Britain wants to draft some more legislation and start blocking any extremist Muslim clerics from entering the country. At this point I would like to ask: Would an extremist Muslim cleric planning a terrorist attack on Britain actually identify themselves as an extremist Muslim cleric? I think some subterfuge is in order:
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:52 am |
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^No, they wouldn't, exactly. Which is why we need to watch for such things. But they DID know of the 3000+ extremist Muslims at a rally a few months ago, and yet did nothing.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:55 am |
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And while we're at it, RM, why don't we just change the name of the country to something cool, like Stalingrad?
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:00 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | And while we're at it, RM, why don't we just change the name of the country to something cool, like Stalingrad? |
I'm sorry...I fail to catch your meaning.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:02 am |
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There's this wonderful feature, I think they call it google?
Limiting citizens freedom's is not the answer.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:08 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | There's this wonderful feature, I think they call it google?
Limiting citizens freedom's is not the answer. |
So we let people go around chanting, "Death to America," and then an attack happens? I am only saying that if anything is limited, it's certain things to do with the EXTREMIST Muslims who have perverted the religion--but NOT the average Muslim I would rather not have these people continuing to breed new terrorists.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:10 am |
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Oppression breeds terrorism. More so than any of your naughty Muslims. And how pathetic is it you are labeling.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:21 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Oppression breeds terrorism. More so than any of your naughty Muslims. And how pathetic is it you are labeling. |
Labeling? Labeling extremist Muslims saying "Death to America?" Are you SERIOUS?
And okay, maybe their freedom of speech shouldn't be violated, but instead we should keep closer eyes on them.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:24 am |
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I took the time to click reply, and typed out the words, so yeah, I mean it.
Just because you are an extremist anything doesn't make you violent. Racial profiling. Uh huh. But now religious profiling? Didn't the Pilgrims come here in order to worship freely? Yeah, thought so.
And I'd say we can watch the Mosques where any type of "violent" sentiment seems to be coming from as closely as we watch militias w/ members like Timothy McVeigh. Our own homegrown, nice little white boy terrorist.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:38 am |
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Why did you delete my response?
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:39 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | ^EXACTLY, and that is a very conservative stance on this that you are taking Earlier this year, I believe it was, 3000 plus Muslim extremests were in London or somewhere else in Britain (forget where) preaching "death to America," etcetera etcetera. I HEARD them saying it! And this stuff was allowed to go on there, and yet now look at what's happened.
Forget free speech here--we have to STOP these people doing things like this. Put them in jail so that they don't carry out an attack. But NOOO, we can't do that! What about their right to free speech? We can't put them in jail for saying this things, just like we can't put terrorists in prison without trials! No. ::sarcasm:: |
This post is horrifying. Please, go buy an island or something, call it USA JR if you want, and be a totalitarian dictator there.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:41 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Why did you delete my response? |
I didn't... Perhaps you should send a PM and question something there? I know it's hard, and takes a few extra steps, but go ahead, try it.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:45 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | ^EXACTLY, and that is a very conservative stance on this that you are taking Earlier this year, I believe it was, 3000 plus Muslim extremests were in London or somewhere else in Britain (forget where) preaching "death to America," etcetera etcetera. I HEARD them saying it! And this stuff was allowed to go on there, and yet now look at what's happened.
Forget free speech here--we have to STOP these people doing things like this. Put them in jail so that they don't carry out an attack. But NOOO, we can't do that! What about their right to free speech? We can't put them in jail for saying this things, just like we can't put terrorists in prison without trials! No. ::sarcasm:: |
This post is horrifying. Please, go buy an island or something, call it USA JR if you want, and be a totalitarian dictator there. |
Wha--First, I don't see why you had to delete my last response.
And okay, didn't you read my change in opinion--that we shouldn't just put them in jail but keep an eye on them to make sure that they aren't doing atttacks. In April of this year there was that rally, and then what happened? Attacks in London, causing DEATHS. I am NOT saying that we should put a fascist state in place or anything, but just maintain greater security in preventing an attack. When you hear something like "death to America" in the US, France, Britain, etc, it is a prelude to an attack like happened in London, and if we can stop it by Mosque watches, etc then that's good.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:54 am |
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So the ends justify the means. Wrong.
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| Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:02 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | So the ends justify the means. Wrong. |
Now you're putting words into my mouth. I'm just saying that we should keep an eye on the people for radicals that would kill Americans--that's all. Mosque watches are an example, as well as monitoring rallies held by these radical Islamo-Fascists. Once a Mosque is cleared for not supporting terrorism, then it's fine to stop monitoring it--which shouldn't be too hard, considering that most aren't part of it.
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