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madlilnerd
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They wanted to bring London to a standstill. They failed miserably. That's right, little terrorists, crawl back to your dank little caves. I'm sure your wives miss you terribly. 
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Cathexis
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| Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:40 pm |
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I think that the Brits have handled the attack with an amazing outlook and integrity. We should take a few pointers down, us "Americans"....when the Towers went down, we all panicked and just...mass shock and hysteria...people were throwing themselves out of windows etc. The people in those tubes were mostly calm and quiet during the entire thing. Even afterward, there was a sense of calm solemnity among Londoners. Yet, business as usual just the same. I admire the British for their tact and resiliancy.
(I'm British, so I feel the pain :'()
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Jeremy
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| Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:07 am |
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Also remember though, that we now know about this kind of terrorism, from 9/11, Bali and Madrid. 9/11 was the first time something like it had happened, so people didn't know what to do.
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nadia
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| Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:56 am |
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I dunno if anyone has said this but...they have found 2 sets of fingerprints on the bombs!!!
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Curtis
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| Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:20 pm |
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It has also been stated that today one or two (I forget) arrests were made and they think it may be linked to the bombers; however, they aren't sure as of yet...or aren't releasing any information at this time.
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nadia
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| Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:05 am |
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They just said on the news that they have found the identity of 3 out of the 4 bombers, they reckon they were suicide bombers
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Founder
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| Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:24 am |
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| Cathexis wrote: | I think that the Brits have handled the attack with an amazing outlook and integrity. We should take a few pointers down, us "Americans"....when the Towers went down, we all panicked and just...mass shock and hysteria...people were throwing themselves out of windows etc. The people in those tubes were mostly calm and quiet during the entire thing. Even afterward, there was a sense of calm solemnity among Londoners. Yet, business as usual just the same. I admire the British for their tact and resiliancy.
(I'm British, so I feel the pain :'() |
What? With all due respect, American handled it well. People were throwing themselves out of windows? Maybe because they were scared? I'd like to see how you would handle such a horrifying situation.
Calm? Thats not what I saw. There is no reason to feel shame for being scared during this. I believe both nations handled it well and Its horrifying what happened, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone was scared.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:23 am |
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People threw themselves out the windows because they were existing in a literal inferno. If Brits can "handle" being a human torch? More power to them. And I didn't really see any "mass panic". Panic, yes. Buildings were being slammed by planes, and less than an hour later falling down. I'm sorry, I just see it as logical to run from debris a big as a truck flying down the street, and sure, I may scream when doing so, though the video records of that time show it was actually unnaturally quiet except for the people yelling RUN.
And since we've gone there, let's put things in perspective. The death toll here was over 16X as large.
I really don't see why we are even comparing, the only similarities are that they were terrorist attacks on/in mass transit areas. Hell, bombs weren't even used here. Want to see an emotional Brit? Watch them watch a soccer game.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:19 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Also remember though, that we now know about this kind of terrorism, from 9/11, Bali and Madrid. 9/11 was the first time something like it had happened, so people didn't know what to do. |
Exactly. This was a horrible situation. First, I felt for the British. Then I wondered what would be next. And then I wished that I could log on to STV  (seriously).
But yeah, I feel for the British, think that they handled the situation well, and sympathize with them. Although this attack was not nearly as bad as 9/11, it was horrible--the worst since WWII. However, I wished that Bush and Blair had promptly talked about what they would do from this, not do what they did in saying these weak things then. I wasn't TOO happy with what they had said, although I agreed with the barbarism comment. A horrible and sad situation--and I think something similar may yet happen here any time now. I think that Bush should have reminded people that day that THIS is why we're in Iraq--to stop THIS kind of thing from happening--to fight off the terrorists. Good luck Britain in your troubling times! And let's stop these bastards!
But the one thing that disgusted me was how after 36 hours the BBC stopped calling the TERRORISTS terrorists and called them "resistance fighters" and the like. Horrifying.
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CJ Cregg
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| Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:03 am |
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The BBC has NOT stopped calling them terrorists at all. i have NEVER heard them once call them Resistance Fighters
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:08 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | The BBC has NOT stopped calling them terrorists at all. i have NEVER heard them once call them Resistance Fighters |
I heard that BBC World did that. And apparently many/some left-wingers in London and throughout Britain are claiming that the attack was because of Iraq. I just think that that's stupid. It's dumb. Did BALI have anything to do with Iraq? What did Indonesia do? It's crazy to think that it's because of Iraq.
And 9/11 happened BEFORE Iraq and because of a buildup during the 90s. No Iraq there.
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Dirt
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| Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:39 am |
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Well RM, did you take into consideration that England is regarded as one of the close Allies of the UN in the war against "terrorism"? It's less likely with the Bali bombings, but they have had religious problems going on there for forever. Same with indonesia. 
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Theresa
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:13 am |
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| Quote: | London on Alert After Four Explosions Hit Transit System
Updated: 09:54 AM EDT
London Police Evacuate Train Stations, Bus
Windows of Double-Decker Blown Out
By ROBERT BARR, AP
LONDON (July 21) - Two weeks after suicide attacks on subway stations and a bus, police said explosions occurred at three subway stations and on a double-decker bus Thursday.
Only one person was reported wounded, but the explosions during the lunch hour caused major disruption in the city and were hauntingly similar to the July 7 bombings in which 52 people and four suicide attackers were killed.
The London police commissioner confirmed Thursday that four explosions took place in what he described as ''serious incidents.''
''We've had four explosions- four attempts at explosions,'' Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said outside police headquarters at Scotland Yard.
''At the moment the casualty numbers appear to be very low ... the bombs appear to be smaller'' than the July 7 blasts.
Sky News TV reported that police said no chemical agents were involved in the explosions.
Police also said an armed police unit had entered University College hospital. Press Association, the British news agency, said they arrived shortly after an injured person was carried in.
Police in chemical protection suits were seen preparing to enter the Warren Street Underground station. Unspecified incidents also were reported at the Shepherds Bush and Oval stations.
07-21-05 09:54 EDT
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:25 am |
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| Quote: | Tube cleared after small blasts
A number of Tube stations have been evacuated and lines closed after three blasts in what Met Police chief Sir Ian Blair says is a "serious incident".
Sir Ian appealed to Londoners to stay where they were and said the transport system was effectively being shut down.
The minor explosions used detonators only, a BBC reporter said.
In addition, a Number 26 bus in Hackney Road in Bethnal Green had its windows blown out by a blast. There were no injuries.
Large areas around Warren Street, Oval and the Shepherd's Bush Hammersmith and City line Tube stations have been cordoned off.
One person was injured at Warren Street. There were reports the injured person may have been holding a rucksack containing the detonator.
Lines suspended
Police said armed officers had been deployed to University College Hospital after an incident.
The whole of the Northern Line has been suspended, along with the Victoria Line and the Hammersmith and City line.
A number of other stations were closed including Westminster tube station, Waterloo tube station and King's Cross Thameslink. There were also reports that St Paul's tube and Oxford Circus tube station were closed.
Tony Blair cancelled events in the afternoon and will be attending a meeting of the Cobra committee along with Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
The BBC's Andrew Winstanley said devices had been found but appeared to have been dummies, containing no explosives.
London Underground went to an amber alert with trains taken to the next station and evacuated.
An eyewitness at Oval station said there had been a small bang, and a man had then run off when the Tube reached the station.
A spokesman for Stagecoach said the driver of the number 26 bus travelling through Shoreditch had heard a bang on upper deck, gone upstairs and seen the windows were blown out.
The bus driver was very shaken but said to be fine.
At Shepherd's Bush Hammersmith and City line station, police told reporters that a man had threatened to blow himself up and then ran off.
Sosiane Mohellavi, 35, was travelling from Oxford Circus to Walthamstow when she was evacuated from a train at Warren Street.
"I was in the carriage and we smelt smoke - it was like something was burning.
"Everyone was panicked and people were screaming. We had to pull the alarm. I am still shaking."
The BBC's Rory Barnett said there had been no smoke on the platform at Warren St.
Liz Edwards, who works near Warren Street Underground station, said the area was full of activity.
"There are police, fire engines and ambulances all around there. A guy from our office had just come back from the station and said the police were aggressively keeping people away from the station and that you could not get anywhere near it."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm
Published: 2005/07/21 13:45:20 GMT
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Lord Borg
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:26 am |
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This really sucks, My thoughts and prayers to london
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:59 am |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Well RM, did you take into consideration that England is regarded as one of the close Allies of the UN in the war against "terrorism"? It's less likely with the Bali bombings, but they have had religious problems going on there for forever. Same with indonesia. |
Sure, sure, and I understand that--but it doesn't mean that some people don't call them terrorists. And I'm just saying that what Liberals have said about it being due to Iraq is ridiculous, which you seem to agree with.
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Birdy
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:26 am |
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I just can't believe this happened. AGAIN.  Sick, sick people. In this case, I agree with you RM  TOTALLY evil people!  
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:31 am |
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NEW LONDON TERROR ALERT--SKY NEWS
Luckily not the same thing as before--not as serious, but still. Wow. Evil people.
London Official Confirms Subway Blasts--FOX NEWS
This second incident shows that the British have not boosted up security quick enough, and that they NEED something like the Patriot Act.
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CJ Cregg
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:16 am |
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We have somthing like the Patriot Act. Infact does more than your patriot act.
The "Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005". This wont stop these back pack bombs. Hardly anything can stop them. Unless we ban all bags on the underground. Which wont happen and shouldnt happen.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:23 am |
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But you should screen them better. And okay, I recall that, but it should really be used more often. From what I understand of it, it's hardly been used. I think that we need to renew our Patriot Act, and quite possibly EXPAND it.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:32 am |
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To be effective at preventing this, we need to immediately seize control of the Internet and shut down all websites that contain instructions on how to build explosives in your basement. Next we impose martial law and search the basements and homes of suspected terrorists or would-be suicide bombers, meanwhile we do not allow any international flights in or out. Having done that, we institute new laws that allow us to seize anyone without a moment's notice and imprison them indefinitely without counsel or trial, merely on the suspicion that they are building a bomb. Oh, and we should probably detain all scientists, teachers, engineers, etc, who know how to make a bomb, just in case someone "captures" them.
Now that's security.
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madlilnerd
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:11 pm |
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What we need to do is get rid of the extremists. There are people in the world walking around saying "We have interpreted our holy book this way and we believe it is right to go around killing any one who is not like us and that they deserve to die and that it is God's will for them to die and that when people die in terrorist attacks it is their own fault." Because we have free speach in our countries, they are allowed to say these awful things and we can't really do anything about it.
The terrorists that set off the bombs on 7th were all "home grown" boys from England who had been listening to these awful extremists.
Cut off the head and the body will die, if you get my drift.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:26 pm |
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^EXACTLY, and that is a very conservative stance on this that you are taking Earlier this year, I believe it was, 3000 plus Muslim extremests were in London or somewhere else in Britain (forget where) preaching "death to America," etcetera etcetera. I HEARD them saying it! And this stuff was allowed to go on there, and yet now look at what's happened.
Forget free speech here--we have to STOP these people doing things like this. Put them in jail so that they don't carry out an attack. But NOOO, we can't do that! What about their right to free speech? We can't put them in jail for saying this things, just like we can't put terrorists in prison without trials! No. ::sarcasm::
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madlilnerd
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:34 pm |
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Apparently, the government is deporting them out of the country, but
firstly- I think that's just a rumour and isn't true
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secondly- how is it going to help anyone to have them in a different part of the world? Terrorist attacks happen all over the world.
I don't think they should be killed, because in a roundabout, frightening way, they are kinda entitled to their opinions. BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, they should not be allowed near young people. Religeous teachings make a big impression on young people. Young people are easily converted and do not always have a strong sense of right or wrong. SO... these extremist preachers should be put in a penal colony somewhere... I recommend the dark side of the moon.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:36 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I am now for secret Mosque watches--the government sending an agent into the Mosques just to monitor them and see if there's any extremest activity there. Then, if there is, they shut them down and put the members in an internment camp or something--I'm starting to lean towards internmant camps for extremest muslims. |
| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | Wow. If you're doing that, then there should be "secret watches" on all places of worship. Extremism in any religion can lead to violence. If anything, history has taught us that much.
However, just become someone is extreme about their religion, doesn't mean they have any intention of resorting to violence. Internment camps are much too extreme |
Wrong thread: sorry.
And are the extremist Christians and Jews fighting the US in this war? NO. Exactly why it should be MOSQUE watches for extremest muslims, which MAKE UP THE TERRORISTS! And you know what's interesting? I heard a member of the army say that HE was pulled off to the side and checked--IN HIS UNIFORM--at an airport. And he was white. Okay, so HE can be pulled off to the side, but Muslims can't, which Libs constantly argue. Ridiculous.
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