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jonathan95
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 Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:15 am Boffins create zombie dogs |
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| Quote: | SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans.
Eerie ... boffins have brought dead dogs back to life, in the name of science.
US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years.
Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution.
The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.
But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock.
Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre.
However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours,
But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss.
During the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death.
Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved.
Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts.
Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
"The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor.
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madlilnerd
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:13 am |
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It is really cruel to do that to animals. 
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nadia
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:14 am |
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Is that dog real?
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madlilnerd
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:15 am |
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That's a wolf... probably not one of the "zombie" ones.
And you shouldn't mess around with life and death. It ALWAYS ends badly.
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nadia
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:17 am |
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Thats horrible! If something is dead then just leave it be!!!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:46 am |
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As much as people want to think this is cruel, that fact is outweighed by the scientific and medical advances this is bringing.
| Quote: | | But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss. |
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Captain.Dan V2
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:21 am |
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This is a scientific leap.
After all 'Time is but a window standing near the doorway of death' Now however people can pospone going through the doorway.
This is messing with nature,
But I like it the possibilites are great and the rewards could be awesome.
Mankind can benifet from this greatly.
I agree with it
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Founder
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:43 pm |
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I agree with madlilnerd. Something about this doesn't seem right. At least not with what they're doing to those dogs. Its good to find ways to pro long life or battle disease and such, but scientists methods are always coming up questionable...*Sigh*
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borgslayer
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| Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:26 pm |
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Funny I was just watching Resident Evil and this topic comes up. I surely dont want to become a flesh eating zombie. lol
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webtaz99
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| Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:18 am |
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People need to be more careful with semantics.
No one and nothing comes back from being dead - by definition. Death is when you DON'T come back.
This (if true - not all scientific claims are proven true), indicates that the dogs may be "dead" as dogs, but not as a collection of cells.
True or not, other evidence indicates that we need to revise our clinical definition of "death".
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Kyle Reese
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| Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:55 am |
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| borgslayer wrote: | | Funny I was just watching Resident Evil and this topic comes up. I surely dont want to become a flesh eating zombie. lol |
I was just about to make a comment about Resident Evil 
Edit: Guess I should at least say something. I don't like the idea of bringing something or someone from the dead back to life, period. If it helps save lives then go for it, just leave the dead ones in peace.
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madlilnerd
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| Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:53 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | I agree with madlilnerd. Something about this doesn't seem right. At least not with what they're doing to those dogs. Its good to find ways to pro long life or battle disease and such, but scientists methods are always coming up questionable...*Sigh* |
I think this might be one of those scenarios where testing on humans would make more sense than testing on animals.
For example: Say someone had just died from a heart attack. You try out methods to make them live again. If they are successful, and the person lives, surely their family etc would be grateful? Whereas, what are you achieving by killing dogs and "bringing them back to life"?
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The Delta Flyer
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| Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:25 pm |
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| madlilnerd wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | I agree with madlilnerd. Something about this doesn't seem right. At least not with what they're doing to those dogs. Its good to find ways to pro long life or battle disease and such, but scientists methods are always coming up questionable...*Sigh* |
I think this might be one of those scenarios where testing on humans would make more sense than testing on animals.
For example: Say someone had just died from a heart attack. You try out methods to make them live again. If they are successful, and the person lives, surely their family etc would be grateful? Whereas, what are you achieving by killing dogs and "bringing them back to life"? |
I've always been against animal testing. However if the animal is already dead then so be it. I would say the same about a human - they ain't gonna be needing the body again. But deliberately killing them, that's a no-no in my book.
And as for 'battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds', when exactly are they gonna find the time to put that solution in.
"Oh god, he's been shot!"
"Quick! Get his blood out of him and get this stuff in!"
Sure maybe eventually there'll be someway. But how many animals do we have to get through before we get to that point.
Test the damn things on criminals. They survive on our tax money when they're in prison - might as well make use of em.
And in the case of killing people and 'reviving' them, well get the people off death row. It saves just killing them.
Heck, I'd make a fantastic politician wouldn't I 
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