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teya
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 Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:09 pm |
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| 1/1 wrote: | | Quote: | | My apologies for interfering with your gush fest. |
What gush fest? We're simply doing what you're doing which in effect is making this thread a discussion. |
Your only comment to my posts was "We've tried adding reasons only people find flaws in them as we do in yours" and added a smilie which could mean any number of things.
What it *doesn't* say is what flaws you found. You just dismiss my opinion as "flawed" with no examples, no nothing and consider that *discussion*?
No, you've got a J/C gush-fest going here.
As Leo Wyatt notes, "we don't want hear about no J/7 . and other possibities."
That pretty clearly states the stand of this community, I think. You don't want discussion, you want folks to agree with you.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:11 pm |
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I never said I wanted anyone to agree with me. That is what you and the J/7 want.
U like putting words in people mouths. 
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1/1
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:19 pm |
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Teya, I only added a  to show that I weren't trying to be horrible or anything.
| Quote: | | That pretty clearly states the stand of this community, I think. You don't want discussion, you want folks to agree with you. |
Its only a tv show. Its not like we're trying to take over the world, people must agree with us or die. I'm intrigued by what people see in J/7. Just because I don't personally like it does not mean I don't want a discussion and I think Leo Wyatt probably feels the same after talking to her over the past months.
Maybe I didn't state my arguments for why I think J/7 wouldn't work as often as I should but definitions of words can be pretty subjective too. I didn't think I needed to.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:23 pm |
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We don't have to agree with you cause that is what you want not us.
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teya
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:00 pm |
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| 1/1 wrote: | | Maybe I didn't state my arguments for why I think J/7 wouldn't work as often as I should but definitions of words can be pretty subjective too. I didn't think I needed to. |
Um, I guess this shows how much you read the post I wrote that you dismissed. 
It wasn't about J/7. It was about C/7.
And, Leo Wyatt, you'd do better in debate if you didn't put words in other peoples' mouths.
No, I don't expect *anyone* to agree with me. What I do expect is to be treated with the same respect you'd want directed to you.
To say that "we don't want to hear about no J/7 and other possibilities" is not showing respect for other opinions. It's saying, "shut up, your opinion is unwelcome."
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:01 pm |
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No that is you who put words in other mouths. :roll
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teya
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:12 pm |
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You're the one who said "we don't want to hear about no J/7 and other possibilities."
If that didn't mean you (speaking for the group as a whole, as "we") don't want to hear other opinions, then what did you mean?
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Kasey
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| Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:49 pm |
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It is just a show for God's sakes. Who cares who ends up with who? It is not real life. This is like a soap opera talking about it. 
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1/1
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| Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:42 pm |
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| teya wrote: | You're the one who said "we don't want to hear about no J/7 and other possibilities."
If that didn't mean you (speaking for the group as a whole, as "we") don't want to hear other opinions, then what did you mean? |
I think that means we do want to hear about J/7 and other possibilities as the not and the no kinda cancel eachother out IMHO.
| Quote: | Um, I guess this shows how much you read the post I wrote that you dismissed.
It wasn't about J/7. It was about C/7. |
The only post so far I can remember about C/7 is where there are a list of reasons why they should be together for example, their minds have been connected, where I responded by saying how I don't think this is relevent IMO because I think Janeway and Chakotay have some spiritual connection. How is that dismissing the post?
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| Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:28 pm |
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*Sigh* I can't believe people make really good topics that die after four posts, but this is still going. I'll stick to the CANON FACT from the show. Chakotay and Janeway did NOT like each other.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:39 pm |
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THey did, obivously you didn't watch it clearly enough. 
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nadia
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| Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:08 pm |
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But Chakotay was more interested in 7of9 so much more than Janeway
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:34 pm |
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Not true, only at the end of the series. Through mostly the whole series, he was inlove with Janeway. So cant count at the end.
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charlie
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:31 am |
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I agree with Kasey, that this is like a soap opera. Who gets who and who don't get who.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:37 am |
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And point is? I know but Chakotay and Janeway still had feelings for each other. People just blinded by all that gush fest J./7 or C/7. It is the other way around.
But, this topic is just silly anyway.
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teya
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:18 pm |
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| 1/1 wrote: | | I responded by saying how I don't think this is relevent IMO because I think Janeway and Chakotay have some spiritual connection. |
Okay, let me try this a different way.
What sort of spiritual connection did J/C have and where was that shown on the series?
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madlilnerd
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:27 pm |
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I think it would have been inappropriate for Chakotay and Janeway to have been together, and I think both of them wanted to stay as close friends.
Janeway should have gone home and bagged herself a nice admiral.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:42 pm |
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Ok, we are going around in circles here. We not going to agree on it no matter what. I know I am not going to agree with all the J/7 or c/7 crap. Like you all don't like J/C. So just get over it already. It is just a damn show. It is not reality. Much damn time we all spent on this, could be talking about something more worth while
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teya
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:19 pm |
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I asked 1/1 a question. If you can answer that question, I'd be interested in your take. I simply want to see *why* and *where* J/Cers saw this "spiritual connection" because I didn't see it.
If you are no longer interested in the subject, you could just not respond, and spend your time on those more worthwhile pursuits.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:26 pm |
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It is not that I am not interested but you seem to take this little too serious. And If I want to respond, that's my choice.
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teya
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| Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:37 pm |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | It is not that I am not interested but you seem to take this little too serious. |
Funny, I could say the same about you. After all, you seem to be determined to shut me up. And in my experience, when someone wants to shut up another person with a different opinion, that's because they're afraid to hear it, afraid that it might make some kinda sense. And when they're that afraid, that means they care *very* deeply.
This is, I thought, *looks up at web address* yep, a board devoted to Star Trek Voyager. This is a subject regarding Star Trek Voyager. I'm genuinely curious to see why J/C fans thought the pair had a spiritual connection and where they saw it in the show. See, because I'm *not* afraid to hear that; I like to hear different takes on the show. It broadens my perspective; even when I don't agree with them, it helps me understand other viewpoints.
If you don't want to share your thoughts on J/C, fine. But you're really not contributing much to the conversation. Just heckling. And hecklers can be ignored. Which I'm now doing to you.
I'd love to hear other folks thoughts, though.
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lex
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| Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:46 am |
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When I first started watching Voyager, which was pre-Seven of Nine, it seemed very clear to me that the writers were offering us the possibility of J/C as a likely plot device, and began to set the stage for such a storyline. They gave us nothing that actually committed them to a J/C romance, but the writers, in the way that's typical of series that constantly have to feel their way, planted the seeds that could have led to such a thing ... or, if J/C didn't turn out to be advantageous, could be easily dismissed, allowing another path to be taken. For whatever reason (ratings, actor/actress objection, preference for another story line ... who knows?!), the J/C idea was not only abandoned, but actually clearly negated. As this was the direction the writers clearly decided to take, any potential character/story elements that would have fed into C/J weren't developed - in fact, in my opinion, the whole character of Chakotay was allowed to stagnate and even deteriorate. I don't know if this was because he didn't appeal to viewers, or the actor's visibly bad attitude alienated The Powers That Be, or what, but Chakotay was certainly pushed to the bottom of the pile.
I'm a J/7er, but when Seven of Nine first appeared (Oh, happy day!), I didn't immediately get fixed on the J/7 thing - partly because I don't automatically pair off every character that appears on a tv show. In fact, I was into the idea of Harry/7, and, even though later the J/7 relationship beat out any other possibility beyond doubt, I still regret the abandonment of Harry's relationship with Seven - I think the writers could have really made something of a friendship between them. Their characters played off each other so well, and gave us such great story potential, with their contrasts and so on. But, although I think an experimental fling between the ensign and the ex-Borg might have been fun, it soon became obvious to me that J/7 was so powerful as to overwhelm any other possibility.
It's interesting to see that, although the writers never specifically articulated J/7, they unmistakeably gave us enough as to see what we call "subtext" as, really, "main text."
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:53 am |
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For your damn information Teya! I am not trying to shut noone up.. I am saying is, I am agreeing also with Kasey. It is just a show. You seem like it is real or something. As I said we not going to agree no matter what. I am or other J/Cers not going to agree with you nor you going to agree with us. So stop your whining.
first of all for all the C/7 fans their relationship also didn't work out either. If you read Spirit Walk Seven broke it off with Chakotay.
So C/7 didn't work nor J/C so there.
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1/1
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| Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:25 pm |
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| teya wrote: | | 1/1 wrote: | | I responded by saying how I don't think this is relevent IMO because I think Janeway and Chakotay have some spiritual connection. |
Okay, let me try this a different way.
What sort of spiritual connection did J/C have and where was that shown on the series? |
Soz, I haven't been online for ages. Not ignoring you.
The first hint was in the ep where Chakotay helped Janeway to find her animal guide and showed her his medicine bundle. I can't remember any other time that it was explicitly shown like that coz my minds gone blank.
| Quote: | I'm genuinely curious to see why J/C fans thought the pair had a spiritual connection and where they saw it in the show. See, because I'm *not* afraid to hear that; I like to hear different takes on the show. It broadens my perspective; even when I don't agree with them, it helps me understand other viewpoints.
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Likewise me and J/7ers and any other C/ whoevers and J/whoevers.
| Quote: | | But, although I think an experimental fling between the ensign and the ex-Borg might have been fun, it soon became obvious to me that J/7 was so powerful as to overwhelm any other possibility. |
The only thing that became obvious to me was they way Janeway and seven had a strong tutor student relationship, which could be seen as a mother daughter relationship.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:29 pm |
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People see too much into the show. Some people think Janeway and Seven might have a thing when they actually didn't. It was more of a daughter and mother relationship more than anything.
Janeway and Chakotay, yes they did have feelings for each other. But, they didn't end up together.
Chakotay and Seven, yes they ended up together but in the book Spirit walk, Seven broke up with Chakotay, so it didn't work out.
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