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Theresa
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I can quote you on that if Michael Schiavo confesses to something at a later date?
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:46 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Uh Link? Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't want the husband to pull the plug because his intentions were not as "honorable" as he was making them out to be. It is painfully obvious he let her die for personal gain. Not because she "requested it". If she requested it, then why did it take him so many years to remember? Especially around the time he stood to gain something from her death....hmmmmm. |
No, because people were saying "right to life" and other things. There was only a brief (2-3 pages worth out of 24) with arguing that his intentions were not Honorable.
This o course was followed by the damning of democrats and arguing about why the tube should not be removed, Then multiple people (mostly the conservatives of STV) shouted that she could be rehabilitated (Proven wrong), then moving to numerous reports of Government interventions, Multiple damnings of Michael Schiavo and his Lawyer with more damning of democrats, More useless government intervention, Then she died and a stream of nasty comments insued.
| Theresa wrote: | | ..... so was O.J. |
Difference is, O.J. was guilty, Michael Schiavo isn't.
| Theresa wrote: | | An autopsy report cannot conclude that there was no abuse in a relationship ten years prior. Please, you have to know even that much. |
| Quote: | | The autopsy also found no evidence that Terri Schiavo was strangled or otherwise abused before her sudden 1990 collapse - countering allegations by the Schindlers that she was abused by her husband. |
While it might not show if there was abuse 10 years ago, it showed that no abuse led to her collapse, and observations and tests made by doctors at the time of collapse showed there was no abuse either. unfortunetly for people who think she WAS abused, the burden of proof lies on you to prove it.
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webtaz99
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:39 pm |
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If Michael Schiavo felt SO STRONGLY about having his WIFE's "wishes" followed, why didn't he DOCUMENT THEM.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:57 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | If Michael Schiavo felt SO STRONGLY about having his WIFE's "wishes" followed, why didn't he DOCUMENT THEM. |
I agree. I don't believe that her wishes were even known, and I think that he did something to her.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:00 pm |
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through what proof besides unfounded speculation and assumptions?
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:22 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Uh Link? Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't want the husband to pull the plug because his intentions were not as "honorable" as he was making them out to be. It is painfully obvious he let her die for personal gain. Not because she "requested it". If she requested it, then why did it take him so many years to remember? Especially around the time he stood to gain something from her death....hmmmmm. |
No, because people were saying "right to life" and other things. There was only a brief (2-3 pages worth out of 24) with arguing that his intentions were not Honorable.
This o course was followed by the damning of democrats and arguing about why the tube should not be removed, Then multiple people (mostly the conservatives of STV) shouted that she could be rehabilitated (Proven wrong), then moving to numerous reports of Government interventions, Multiple damnings of Michael Schiavo and his Lawyer with more damning of democrats, More useless government intervention, Then she died and a stream of nasty comments insued. |
Oh sorry, we damned the Democrats for backing a guy who killed his wife for personal gain and lied about it.  I also liked how you ignored the fact that he did that and still decided to side with him. Nice...
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:49 pm |
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You mostly damned the democrats for not ok'ing a bill for the government to get involved in someone's personal affairs.
I dont ignore the fact, But it's mostly because you people keep briniging it up. Trying to cover the fact that you were wrong? oh, and Not as badly as you constantly ignore the fact that there was no way she was going to be rehabilitated.
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:54 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Uh Link? Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't want the husband to pull the plug because his intentions were not as "honorable" as he was making them out to be. It is painfully obvious he let her die for personal gain. Not because she "requested it". If she requested it, then why did it take him so many years to remember? Especially around the time he stood to gain something from her death....hmmmmm. |
No, because people were saying "right to life" and other things. There was only a brief (2-3 pages worth out of 24) with arguing that his intentions were not Honorable.
This o course was followed by the damning of democrats and arguing about why the tube should not be removed, Then multiple people (mostly the conservatives of STV) shouted that she could be rehabilitated (Proven wrong), then moving to numerous reports of Government interventions, Multiple damnings of Michael Schiavo and his Lawyer with more damning of democrats, More useless government intervention, Then she died and a stream of nasty comments insued. |
Oh sorry, we damned the Democrats for backing a guy who killed his wife for personal gain and lied about it. I also liked how you ignored the fact that he did that and still decided to side with him. Nice... |
What did he gain from it?
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Theresa
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:48 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
I dont ignore the fact, But it's mostly because you people keep briniging it up. Trying to cover the fact that you were wrong? oh, and Not as badly as you constantly ignore the fact that there was no way she was going to be rehabilitated. |
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Yes, that's very much a part of it, and you're right. I did think that she could be rehabilitated, and it looks like we were wrong about that--There. I'm admitting it.
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That point was conceded on page one of this topic, Link. Does everyone who was involved in the initial discussion need to post the same thing?
I do, however, still find it amazing that the end justifies the means as far as you are concerned. Hell, you ought to be the biggest Bush supporter out there. Saddam is gone, the Iraqi's are setting up their own government, who cares what was known as fact beforehand? It wasn't an issue for you regarding this person.
I'm not capable of having one set of standards regarding one issue, and another set for something else. Sorry.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:27 pm |
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And, I guess if you really don't see the corrolation, I'm just going to let it go.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:28 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: |
That point was conceded on page one of this topic, Link. Does everyone who was involved in the initial discussion need to post the same thing? |
The point is not conceeded as long as someone still argues said point
| Theresa wrote: | | I do, however, still find it amazing that the end justifies the means as far as you are concerned. Hell, you ought to be the biggest Bush supporter out there. Saddam is gone, the Iraqi's are setting up their own government, |
I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and I'd like to see where you picked that up.
I continue to think Bush is an idiot and everyday we are still in Iraq losing men proves that I am right. We went in on shotty intelligence no one thought of getting more intel on, we started a multi-front war (something which any Tactician can tell you is majorly stupid), The list goes on.
| Teresa wrote: | who cares what was known as fact beforehand? It wasn't an issue for you regarding this person.
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Any smart person cares about facts beforehand. Wasn't an issue with this person? If you mean Schiavo, It was known through CAT scans and other tests that she wouldn't be rehabilitated, people chose to ignore those facts given out by multiple doctors.
| Teresa wrote: | | I'm not capable of having one set of standards regarding one issue, and another set for something else. Sorry. |
That is because you see issues like this as one. I, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, Dont see these events as anything alike, therefore I dont have to have the same standards.
Besides, you should have your own opinion on everything, not a set of standards.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:30 pm |
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^^Read that one.
Opposite ends of the spectrum, apparently, 
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:41 am |
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What she means, Link, I believe, is that you cry out that Bush did wrong acting on something that may have been wrong, and yet when Michael Shiavo has this woman die--when her wishes were NOT truly known--you cry for it. "Oh, it's fine," yadda yadda yadda.
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Theresa
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| Quote: | Probe Sought in Terri Schiavo 911 Call
Florida Governor Questions Husband's Response to Wife's Collapse
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (June 17) - Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, Bush said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m., and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m.
''Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am aware of no explanation for the delay,'' Bush wrote. ''In light of this new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome.''
Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Friday from The Associated Press. In comments in The Miami Herald, he said Terri Schiavo would not have survived if her husband had not immediately called 911.
''It's absolutely preposterous,'' Felos said. ''If he had waited 70 minutes she would have been dead.''
Terri Schiavo died March 31 from dehydration after her feeding tube was disconnected at her husband's request, despite unsuccessful efforts by her parents, Bush and others to keep her alive.
An autopsy released Wednesday concluded that she had been in a persistent vegetative state and revealed no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.
It left unanswered the question of why Terri Schiavo's heart stopped, cutting oxygen off from her brain. The autopsy showed she suffered irreversible brain damage and her brain had shrunk to half the normal size for her age.
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:12 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | What she means, Link, I believe, is that you cry out that Bush did wrong acting on something that may have been wrong, and yet when Michael Shiavo has this woman die--when her wishes were NOT truly known--you cry for it. "Oh, it's fine," yadda yadda yadda. |
But by the LAWS in your country, he has the right to make that decision. And after all US law is so very important yadayadayada 
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Theresa
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:12 pm |
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That is incorrect, Dirk. And I find it amusing that you "really don't care" about this story, yet have a lot to say.
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:19 pm |
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Pfft, I'd post about Germany being the best country ever as long as it was controversial
But didn't the courts say that he had the right to make that decision etc?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:28 pm |
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But it doesn't make it right.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:32 pm |
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The issue was that the whole thing was murky.
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:34 pm |
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Didn't the courts say he was right about a dozen times?
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Theresa
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:41 pm |
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No, they said there wasn't enough evidence to show what she would have wanted.
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:18 pm |
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And you know what? They ruled out bolemia as the cause of her condition, and so that leaves even MORE questions. WHAT caused this? Why hasn't the husband been asked about what happened during that time?
More questions now need to be answered.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | What she means, Link, I believe, is that you cry out that Bush did wrong acting on something that may have been wrong, and yet when Michael Shiavo has this woman die--when her wishes were NOT truly known--you cry for it. "Oh, it's fine," yadda yadda yadda. |
Again you see them as the same, I dont.
One person did what everyone thinks is morally wrong and sent his wife to a better place because he KNEW she wasn't going to be rehabilitated in any way.
The other person sent thousands to their meaningless deaths.
There is no comparing them no matter how you put it.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:25 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | What she means, Link, I believe, is that you cry out that Bush did wrong acting on something that may have been wrong, and yet when Michael Shiavo has this woman die--when her wishes were NOT truly known--you cry for it. "Oh, it's fine," yadda yadda yadda. |
Again you see them as the same, I dont.
One person did what everyone thinks is morally wrong and sent his wife to a better place because he KNEW she wasn't going to be rehabilitated in any way.
The other person sent thousands to their meaningless deaths.
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1. Did I ever say that that was MY opinion? No. I was just saying what I thought she was saying.
2. She WAS being rehabilitated, but he pulled her away, and that made it so that it couldn't happen again.
3. President Bush was NOT a bringer of meaningless deaths. Plus, we did NOT know what her wishes were. It was the wishes of a man that no longer wanted to take care of his wife. If they were her wishes, then she would have been killed in the 90s, but he waited until THEN to say something 
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| Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:33 pm |
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| Birdy wrote: | | nadia wrote: | | Ok so what did she really die of?? |
Dehydration. |
OH
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