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Schiavo autopsy report to be released Wednesday
TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- The medical examiner's office plans to release its autopsy report Wednesday on Terri Schiavo -- findings her family hopes will shed light on the cause of the collapse that left her severely brain-damaged 15 years ago.
Schiavo, 41, died March 31, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube that had kept her alive was removed under a court order obtained by her husband, Michael Schiavo.
Her death ended a bitter legal battle between Michael Schiavo, who said his wife did not want to be kept alive artificially, and her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who disputed doctors' finding that she was in a vegetative state and insisted she could improve with therapy.
Terri Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler, said Tuesday his family is eager to see if the report indicates what went wrong when her heart stopped beating for several minutes in 1990.
Testimony in a 1992 civil trial indicated that her heart stopped probably because of a severe chemical imbalance brought on by an eating disorder. The Schindlers, though, do not believe she had an eating disorder and have accused Michael Schiavo of abusing his wife, a charge he vehemently denies.
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I can't wait for it to be released.
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Neither can I. This report will make or break all our theories.
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Don't think her family has much respect for her if they are going to release it to the whole world. Not that they really did anyway by making this into such a public drama. I'm sure I'll hear about it. 
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| Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:28 am Schiavo Autopsy Released |
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Schiavo autopsy shows no sign of trauma, brain half normal size
By MITCH STACY
Associated Press Writer
Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma before her 1990 collapse and her brain was about half of normal size when she died, according to results released Wednesday of an autopsy conducted on the severely brain-damaged woman.
Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin concluded that there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to her collapse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.
He said she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth as her parents' requested.
"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.
Thogmartin said that Schiavo's brain was about half of its expected size when she died March 31 in a Pinellas Park hospice, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed in a wrenching right-to-die dispute that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.
Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, fought their son-in-law in court over their daughter's fate for nearly seven years, battling to the end with conservative lawmakers and anti-abortion activists at their side.
Michael Schiavo said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive in what doctors called a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The Schindlers, however, doubted she had any such end-of-life wishes and disputed that she was in a vegetative state.
They contended she laughed, cried and responded to them when they visited her in the Pinellas Park hospice where she lived. They believed her condition could improve with therapy, despite most doctors saying her condition was irreversible.
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By MITCH STACY
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LARGO, Fla. (AP) -- An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.
But what caused her collapse 15 years earlier remained a mystery. The autopsy and post-mortem investigation found no proof that she had an eating disorder, as was suspected at the time, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin said.
Autopsy results on the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman were made public Wednesday, more than two months after her death March 31 ended a right-to-die battle between her husband and parents that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.
She died from dehydration, Thogmartin said. He said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.
He said that after her feeding tube was removed, she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth, as her parents' requested.
"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.
He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead," and that her brain was about half of its expected size when she died 13 days following the feeding tube's removal.
Michael Schiavo said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive in what court-appointed doctors concluded was a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The Schindlers, however, doubted she had any such end-of-life wishes and disputed that she was in a vegetative state.
The medical examiner's conclusions countered a videotape released by the Schindlers of Terri Schiavo in her hospice bed. The video showed Schiavo appearing to turn toward her mother's voice and smile, moaning and laughing. Her head moved up and down and she seemed to follow the progress of a brightly colored Mickey Mouse balloon.
They believed her condition could improve with therapy.
However, doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of thought or consciousness, and Thogmartin's report went farther.
"The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain," he said. "This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."
Thogmartin said the autopsy report was based on 274 external and internal body images, and an exhaustive review of Terri Schiavo's medical records, police reports and social services agency records.
He said hospital records of her 1990 collapse showed she had a diminished potassium level in her blood. But he said that did not prove she had an eating disorder, because the emergency treatment she received at the time could have affected the potassium level.
Testimony in a 1992 civil trial indicated that she probably was suffering from an eating disorder that led to a severe chemical imbalance.
Over the years, the Schindlers had sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition and what caused it. Abuse complaints to state social workers were ruled unfounded and the Pinellas state attorney's office did not turn up evidence of abuse.
Calls seeking comments Wednesday from the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, were not immediately returned.
Speaking before the report was issued, Felos, said the Schindlers continue to engage in a "smear campaign against Michael to deflect the real issues in the case, which were Terri's wishes and her medical condition."
During the seven-year legal battle, federal and state courts repeatedly rejected extraordinary attempts at intervention by Florida lawmakers, Gov. Jeb Bush, Congress and President Bush on behalf of her parents.
Supporters of the Schindlers harshly criticized the courts. Many religious groups, including the Roman Catholic Church, said the removal of sustenance violated fundamental religious tenets.
About 40 judges in six courts were involved in the case at one point or another. Six times, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to intervene. As Schiavo's life ebbed away following the final removal of her feeding tube, Congress rushed through a bill to allow the federal courts to take up the case, and President Bush signed it March 21, but federal courts refused to step in. |
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So, lets get this straight. There was no way she could have been rehabed, her brain shrunk over half its orignal size, she was blind and there was no proof that her hubby did anything to her like her family claimed. Not to mention the fact that she couldn't even chew or swallow if anything was in her mouth. The Question why keep her on life support knowing what we know now? I say removing her was the best solution for something that couldn't have been fixed. IMO I think the family was wrong for wanting to keep her on life support all they did was prolong the invetiable (SP).
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Uh, the point was that they didn't want her to STARVE to deth. thats what happend
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Caught and interview on Hannity and Colmes on FOX. Even with all this evidence disproving him, Terry's brother will not admit that he was wrong about his sister and that Michael Schiavo was still guilty of something.
I know I hate to say it but, we told you so. There was no way for her to be Rehabilatated at all, doctors and her parents were just trying to delay the inevitable.
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Go back to the main discussion about this. The biggest point of contention was HOW they were killing her. And it's still inhumane.
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| Theresa wrote: | | Go back to the main discussion about this. The biggest point of contention was HOW they were killing her. And it's still inhumane. |
Actully, I went back and red about 15 or so pages worth of it. until they actully did it, the main points were that she could be rehabilitated, she wanted to live, they have no right to do it because she responds, etc.
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Those responses must've been one hell of a coincidence, 
The ends justify the means. Scary concept, IMO.
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Uh Link? Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't want the husband to pull the plug because his intentions were not as "honorable" as he was making them out to be. It is painfully obvious he let her die for personal gain. Not because she "requested it". If she requested it, then why did it take him so many years to remember? Especially around the time he stood to gain something from her death....hmmmmm.
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| Founder wrote: | | Uh Link? Did you ever stop to think that maybe we didn't want the husband to pull the plug because his intentions were not as "honorable" as he was making them out to be. It is painfully obvious he let her die for personal gain. Not because she "requested it". If she requested it, then why did it take him so many years to remember? Especially around the time he stood to gain something from her death....hmmmmm. |
Yes, that's very much a part of it, and you're right. I did think that she could be rehabilitated, and it looks like we were wrong about that--There. I'm admitting it.
However, it DOES say that she was strangled or otherwise before her "fall," according to a news report found on www.comcast.net. I think it was the brother.
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The examiner concluded that there was no foul play, as stated in the article I posted above:
| Quote: | | Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin concluded that there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to her collapse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death. |
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Good thing we got that euthanasia (youth-in-asia) thing over here
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Ok so what did she really die of??
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | So, lets get this straight. There was no way she could have been rehabed, her brain shrunk over half its orignal size, she was blind and there was no proof that her hubby did anything to her like her family claimed. Not to mention the fact that she couldn't even chew or swallow if anything was in her mouth. The Question why keep her on life support knowing what we know now? I say removing her was the best solution for something that couldn't have been fixed. IMO I think the family was wrong for wanting to keep her on life support all they did was prolong the invetiable (SP). |
I agree. I'm glad she died, cuz she was so far away of having a normal life with quality.
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| nadia wrote: | | Ok so what did she really die of?? |
Dehydration.
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We had all better make a Living Will. Then get it tatooed on your forehead.
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^ Or on your heart, if you have a representative job.
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Schiavo Autopsy Fails to Sway Parents
By MITCH STACY
Associated Press Writer
LARGO, Fla. (AP) -- An autopsy that found Terri Schiavo suffered from severe and irreversible brain-damage has done nothing to sway her parents' position that she deserved to live and may have gotten better with therapy.
The long-awaited report Wednesday found that the 41-year-old woman's brain had shrunk to about half the normal size for a woman her age when she died March 31 after her feeding tube was disconnected. The autopsy also determined she was blind.
Bob and Mary Schindler disputed the results, maintaining that their daughter interacted with them and tried to speak. Their attorney said the family plans to discuss the autopsy with other medical experts and may take some unspecified legal action.
"We knew all along that Terri was profoundly brain damaged," said Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler. "We simply wanted to bring her home and care for her. It all goes back to this quality of life."
Dr. Jon Thogmartin, District 6 Medical Examiner releases Terri Schiavo's autopsy results during a news conference Wednesday morning, June 15, 2005, in Clearwater, Fla. Schiavo's autopsy backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday. (AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)
The findings vindicated Schiavo's husband in his long and vitriolic battle with his in-laws that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country. Michael Schiavo and court-appointed doctors had said she had no hope of recovery.
The autopsy also found no evidence that Terri Schiavo was strangled or otherwise abused before her sudden 1990 collapse - countering allegations by the Schindlers that she was abused by her husband.
Yet medical examiners could not say for certain what caused the collapse, long thought to have been brought on by an eating disorder.
George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, said the findings back up their contentions made "for years and years" that Terri Schiavo had no hope of recovery. He said Michael Schiavo plans to release autopsy photographs of her shrunken brain.
"Mr. Schiavo has received so much criticism throughout this case that I'm certain there's a part of him that was pleased to hear these results and the hard science behind them," Felos said.
The Schindlers fought their son-in-law in court over their daughter's fate for nearly seven years, battling to the end with conservatives at their side.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a surgeon who had questioned Schiavo's diagnosis during the intense national debate on whether to remove her feeding tube, said the autopsy brought "a very sad chapter to a close."
"She had devastating brain damage, and with that the chapter is closed," Frist said Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America."
The autopsy counters widely seen family video footage cited by Frist and others that seemed to show Schiavo responding to people around her. The video showed her in her hospice bed, appearing to turn toward her mother's voice and smile. She moaned and laughed. Her head moved up and down and she seemed to follow the progress of a brightly colored Mickey Mouse balloon.
Schiavo's parents said that showed she was aware of her surroundings, but doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of thought or consciousness.
"There's nothing in her autopsy report that is inconsistent with a persistent vegetative state," said Dr. Stephen J. Nelson, a medical examiner who assisted in the neurological portion of the autopsy.
The cause of death was dehydration from removal of the feeding tube, but the underlying reason for her brain damage was officially listed as "undetermined."
The autopsy included 274 external and internal body images and an exhaustive review of Schiavo's medical records, police reports and social services agency records.
Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Dr. Jon Thogmartin said that the autopsy produced no conclusion on what triggered the temporary heart stoppage that caused her collapse and brain damage. He said there was no evidence of drug use, though he cautioned that Schiavo was not tested in 1990 for every conceivable substance that could have been in her blood.
He said there was no proof she suffered from an eating disorder such as bulimia, which can disrupt the body chemistry with lethal effect. The main piece of evidence cited for an eating disorder - the low levels of potassium in her blood in 1990 - could have been caused by the emergency treatment she received at the time, Thogmartin said.
While she had lost more than 100 pounds since high school, Schiavo never acknowledged an eating disorder, she did not take diet pills and no one had witnessed her purging food, the medical examiner said.
He discounted the possibility that she had overdosed on caffeine from drinking large amounts of tea to try to keep her weight down.
In addition, the autopsy found no traces of morphine in her system, although she had been given two doses in the days before she died. The Schindlers had contended that morphine might have been used to speed their daughter's death.
In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the autopsy did nothing to change President Bush's position that Schiavo's feeding tube should not have been disconnected. He had signed a bill, rushed through by Congress in March, that was a last-ditch effort to restore her feeding tube.
Experts said that the autopsy demonstrates how difficult it is for people to recover from severe brain damage.
"People should understand that sometimes, for known or unknown reasons, individuals sustain massive brain injury that for which healing is not possible," said Dr. Karen Weidenheim, chief of neuropathology at Montefiore Medical Center in New York. "Everything that could have been done was done for this lady for 15 years, and this case is very tragic." |
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All I got to say is that they are in Major Denile granted their daughter had a injury but they need to move on. They are the ones keeping this in the media. God leave the husband alone he was vindicated leave him be.
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..... so was O.J.
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There is a difference OJ had evidence against him and he got a lucky brake. Everything pointed that he was guilty as all hell. Micheal Schivo maintained his innocence when her family was making it look like he was scum. He has evidence that he didn't abuse her. He can actually say that he was innocent.
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And I can say I'm Cleopatra...
An autopsy report cannot conclude that there was no abuse in a relationship ten years prior. Please, you have to know even that much.
Good to see the blind faith you have in the judicial system, though, 
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Not hte only thing I have blind faith in. I go by what the report says. No one can change my mind.
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