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Jeremy
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| Quote: | About GlobalWarming.org
This web site is a project of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a sub-group of the National Consumer Coalition.
The Cooler Heads Coalition formed May 6, 1997 to dispel the myths of global warming by exposing flawed economic, scientific, and risk analysis. Coalition members will also follow the progress of the international Global Climate Change Treaty negotiations. |
Sounds unbiased. Their description alone says they were formed to show it wasn't true and also it's linked to the economy, so will be supporting it.
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Starbuck
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| Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:54 pm |
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It seems that everytime I run a search on global warming on google, the articles say its serious.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:56 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: |
The commas break the links. Take out the commas and the proper articles are returned. |
Even after I took the commas out they didn't work, but I figured out the Firefox was just acting up. They opened fine in IE.
I was mainly talking about http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=889. The pictures link back up to www.GISS.nasa.gov and they cant be found.
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Dirt
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:23 pm |
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I think it's silly that people don't see glooooooobal warning is a threat. Sure the earth has always been warming up and cooooooling down, but seriously, ever since industralisation has begun it went x8.  And where do you people think all that pollution goes too, some sort of giant vacuum?
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:27 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | I think it's silly that people don't see glooooooobal warning is a threat. Sure the earth has always been warming up and cooooooling down, but seriously, ever since industralisation has begun it went x8. And where do you people think all that pollution goes too, some sort of giant vacuum? |
No, it didn't. And sure, pollution does affect Ozone, I suppose, however there is NO WAY that global warming is a big threat. Now I say that if you say that global warming is a threat that must be dealt with now, then you HAVE to say the same thing about the context of Iraq in the past  (Doesn't have to be vice-versa, however )
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Hitchhiker
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:35 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | there is NO WAY that global warming is a big threat. |
Oh, there's always the possibility. It is entirely possible that almost every climatologist is wrong. Perhaps the entire "global warming" issue will be a big scare over nothing--that's possible. Perhaps we underestimated the threat and it will affect us more severely than ever theorized--also possible. 
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:20 pm |
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The point is, anythings possible, and you should expect the worst and hope for the best.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:33 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | The point is, anythings possible, and you should expect the worst and hope for the best. |
No, you shouldn't necessarily expect the worse, because then that could end up in damaging a country's economy, etc, especially when it's not a clear threat. You have to first TRULY prove to all and convince all that it really is a SERIOUS threat, and you just can't do that.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:49 pm |
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Not necessarily. If we take care of it now, it won't be as big of a problem. If we don't, its going to be a major problem down the line, and thats going to seriously hurt our economy.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:13 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | Not necessarily. If we take care of it now, it won't be as big of a problem. If we don't, its going to be a major problem down the line, and thats going to seriously hurt our economy. |
I'm all for improving technology NOW to decrease pollution, and I personally think that that's the way to go. Don't do something drastic for something that's not going to be a huge threat for a few hundred years. Progressively improve the environment is the way to go, and I'm all for it.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:41 pm |
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See, we agree on this. Why didn't you put it that way the first time?
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:23 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | See, we agree on this. Why didn't you put it that way the first time? |
I've said before--in this topic--that I am for technology to limit pollution.
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:13 pm |
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*sigh* But thats not how you put it at first...
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:28 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | | *sigh* But thats not how you put it at first... |
I still don't think that we should do things that would greatly disrupt the economic progress of our nation, such as the Kyoto Protocol. However, technological improvements would prove beneficial, and I don't think would damage the economy. Perhaps a company develops a technology that keeps pollution down, and then distributes that--that could prove to actually HELP the economic progress with a new product which would be in great demand on the market. Plus, government incentives of lower taxes, etc. are fine by me to convince citizens to do what they can to help the environment--such as the 5% or something tax deductions for hybrid car buyers.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:44 pm |
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Can you afford a hybird car? I cant, so how would that sorta thing help me?
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Starbuck
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:11 pm |
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But you can do other things. Like buy oxygenated gas for your car. It reduces carbon monoxide emissions.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:34 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | Can you afford a hybird car? I cant, so how would that sorta thing help me? |
Well, it's not that. It's simply incentives to buy it that the government's giving--incentives of tax breaks. And I'm fine with that. Lower taxes is excellent for the economy, plus it helps the environment. I don't think any conservative could argue with that (as long as the government doesn't increase spending by giving money to these programs, just give incentives to people to buy them and businesses to make them).
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:35 pm |
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True. If I could afford it, I would get one, if it would help the enviroment.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:39 pm |
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I don't like the look of the cars, so I probably wouldn't get one.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:49 pm |
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meh, i dont really care about looks if its gonna help the enviroment. There are other things I know I can do to. Recylce, lower the volume of trash etc...
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Seven of Nine
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| Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:28 am |
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Global warming is just a part of the bigger picture. At the rate we're going, we will not be able to live on the Earth as we do now in about 10-100 years, depending on who you ask. Since people can live for 100 years now, that means within our lifetime.
I'm worrying a lot about the Environment. I have a daughter who isn't going to be an adult for 16 1/2 years or so. That's a lot of time for things to either get worse (continue what we're doing) or actually stay where they are or get better (make some drastic changes, which would probably affect the USA's economy enough for it not to happen, which means what the rest of the world does isn't as effective).
The USA produces a 1/4 of the world's pollution. That's a well known fact. They should be the most concerned about evironmental damage, but worry more about the short term economy. That's the problem with the capitalist system. The short term economy will destroy the long term environment.
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Dirt
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| Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:54 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | I think it's silly that people don't see glooooooobal warning is a threat. Sure the earth has always been warming up and cooooooling down, but seriously, ever since industralisation has begun it went x8. And where do you people think all that pollution goes too, some sort of giant vacuum? |
No, it didn't. And sure, pollution does affect Ozone, I suppose, however there is NO WAY that global warming is a big threat. Now I say that if you say that global warming is a threat that must be dealt with now, then you HAVE to say the same thing about the context of Iraq in the past (Doesn't have to be vice-versa, however ) |
Soooooooo what if it is all true and the place is all heating up, and some decades later people are gonna think ""shiiiiiiiiit, RM was wrong if we had onlyl istened to Dirkie!" then what? Seems a little bit late to do anything about it then I think. Iiiiiiiiraq on the other hand only got heated up because of you guys, not that I really see that being linked to globaaaaaal warming
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LightningBoy
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| Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:55 pm |
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They haven't proven that global warming is being caused by man at all.
Global Warming is simply a result of the Earth's Percession. It's a natural occurance for the Earth to hit its warmining peak directly between two ice ages.
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Dirt
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| Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:35 pm |
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You don't think the fact it's over such a short period and about 8 times more is proof enough?
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LightningBoy
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| Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:38 pm |
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Look at temprature scales over the last few million years, there are many spikes and troughs. It occurs completely naturally.
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